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Role of in-laws:re: to angelica and Q for all friends
2006-03-06
Name: nokia



Angelica - now u hv seen many of us are in the same boat. Me too. U must be feeling little bit drained and relieved i guess.
I would suggest you to note down all the suggestions u hv received and pick the one that suits you most. If u r earning, be brave and dont get dominated (psst ... why dont u also try skipping food and crying infront of hubby like MIL does?).

Friends - I hv a Q for all those who hv replied to Angelica.
We all are facing similar issue. We know these ILs wont change. But isnt there any final resolution to ease it down? What should be the right way to tackle this? For ages and ages DILs have been sufferring. Point to note, those DILs are today's MILs. Our MILs have also sufferred, then why do they do it with us? There is definitely something that makes them repeat the history.

So, will we be also like that when we grow old?

And, if this has to be, isnt there any solution? I always feel that it is the son/our husband who plays vital role. If he speaks firmly or does the right thing, problems should ease (they will never resolve 100% of course, but at least will keep a check on MILs and FILs).

For example, a son who is a Manager in office and instructs team of 50 people - why does he think it is unfair to ask parents to pick the banana peel? If they get angry, let them be. 2-3 times they will be angry, 4th time they will obey.

If mother is refusing to have food again and again, for once - let her be like that. She will cry and make a scene but will cool gradually. Dont we do this with kids?

Why the hell the sons not do anything damn it??
Why dont they speak up????

Do you also feel there is a solution like this that hasnt been tried out yet? Or there is no solution and this trend will end up in nuclear families?

nokia
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2006-03-07
#1
Anonymous Name: freakydesi
Subject:  lost cause



Hi guys,
I am so glad that atleast we are trying to find a solution to this issue and not just generally complaining.
As far as husbands are concerned,they are big jerks. So I stopped expecting my husband to do anything. It is so funny to see a 30 plus man hiding in his mom's saree. My mil and my husband almost look like husband wife to me. Their relationship is beyond me. When I read about Oedipus complex in school I did'nt believe it, but now I have to see it live everyday:)
I am like you guys romance around in whatever way possible but don't disturb me.
I think Angelica ur mil is a tantrum thrower coz she gets away with it. Why do u have to show any maturity when she does'nt. Why don't u throw a major tantrum when she throws one. You should also weep and sob and say all the nasty things to no one in particular but generally. Behave like her once and see if it works.Else to avoid a situation is to get out of it. Let ur husband handle her. U don't care. Its his mother so let him deal with her. Why do u care if she complains. I have learnt to ignore these people in my house. My mil keeps saying something and I just ignore and keep doing my own stuff.
How long will ur mil throw tantrums if she sees they have no effect.
Or talk to ur husband that she is a bad influence on ur kids. And u guys need to do something about it.
Or why don't u suggest ur husband on to take them out sometime, so that you get a break at home.

I have even come to a point now that I suggested my husband to sell the house and buy 2 condos and my inlaws and my husband live in one and I and my kids in another.
My goal is to have mental peace and I want to achieve it no matter what.
Forget about the fairness or unfairness of the deal. This is the deal you got so deal with it....
Its better to go with the flow untill there is something that u can't give up at all. Then put up a fight. You should know which battles to loose and which wars to win. That's the hardest part.
Husbands are complete jerks so no point in expecting them to say anything to their parents. I am like mess the house and do whatever u want, anyway you have ruined my relationship with my husband or any values and principles I cared about in life. There is nothing for me to loose now.

All I care about is my kids. And I make no compromise on them.
I told my mil the other day that they need some volunteer teachers in Chinmaya mission center so if she wanted to teach I will take her. She retorted back saying why don't u go and teach why are u asking me.
I was like all she wants to do is home politics and butting into our life. She does'nt want to get involved in any other thing.

There is car that comes to pickup indians for satsang. And there is another old lady in our neighbourhood who goes and she offers to take my mil but my mil tells her she only goes somewhere if her son cum husband takes her. I was like wow!
They want their son to spoonfeed them. Except for sex I think he does everything for her. They are SICKOS...

If my friends invite us for dinner, she will be inquiring from my friends whether her son will go for the party too..
Anytime we have to go somewhere, she will be like oh my son is also going with u? She will act surprised as to why he is going. He should be with me.

I think u can never win against them. Only thing is to carve a niche for ur self somewhere and just involve in kids and their activities.
Sorry there is no permanent solution. Only thing is to get out of the situation and try to live...
Its hard but we will only live once too.
Take Care and good luck!

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2006-03-07
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Anonymous Name: Angelica
Subject:  This is not a tv serial



Hi Nokia,
This not the case of \";sas bhi kabhi bahu thee\";. In the olden days the bahus had to live in the MIL's house after marriage so she had to adjust to her ways and put up with her crap because she was in MIL's domain.Nowadays the MIL comes to live in the DIL's house but refuses to adjust to DIL's ways rather wants to take over as boss and make DIL do things her way. In the end the DIL is left without an area where she can express herself as herself in her own house be it cooking, bossing whatever! As for us DILS of USA who are in my situation we will never be able to live with our sons when they get married because that is just not done here in the USA and I would never want to do it or can do it. As it is my kids ask why do grandparents live with us None of our friends have their grandparents live with them! My youngest even says they are so mean I dread they will repeat it in front of inlaws they will accuse me of teaching it to them!Even when our american friends visit they ask my inlaws \";What you guys are still here?\"; My inlaws feel offended but they are horrified when I tell the friends thay are here till eternity and are not going anywhere!SO staying with our kids in old age is not an option for us.The fact is that the inlaws generation got away by escaping their responsibilty of taking care of their parents but they drilled it into their sons head that he must care for them in their old age. They blackmail him emotionally about this and the son feels helpless. This is the crux of the problem. It is not as simple as an age old saas bahu problem the scene is a bit different for bahus like me who live in the USA.
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2006-03-08
#3
Anonymous Name: Sukky
Subject:  FAO To each her own



With all due respect - I think you mis-understand - my mother did not "boss" over my Granmother - in fact once they resolved their status issue they had a very positive relationship - my gran lived in our house until she passed away and my mother took care of her - bear in mind she had two other DIL's also.
I must ask in general however, is it really that alien a concept to have a relationship with your MIL without involving your husband? My MIL discusses things with me that she doesnt with my husband or even her own daughters - I love her like my own mum even if she criticizes me or disapproves of how I run the house, or how much money I spend on groceries - she has the right to pass comment, however I have the right to stand up for myself.

As a wife, if your homelife is causing you so much distress and your husband doesn't support you then there are serious problems with your relationship with him - so your MIL should be the least of your worries.

You don't have to be cruel to be assertive, and I don't see the point in giving your husband an ultimatum - he is not the one having difficulty getting on with his mother its the DIL & MIL with the problem - so surely just these two people should try to resolve it - I agree with you totally when you say you don't have to go to your husband and tell him about every little thing that your MIL did to bug you today - its the DIL's problem not the husbands.

Your husband will always be your best friend - after all your kids have moved on to get on with their lives - you only have each other in your old age - We will always have problems with our in-laws, the same way as sometimes we may argue with our own parents - but we're not so sensitive to criticism from our parents as we are from our in-laws.
We can be friends with our MILs - accept their faults and focus on things that make them happy. Your MIL is not your enemy she is the mother of your husband.
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2006-03-08
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Anonymous Name: To each her own
Subject:  Trust yourself.



I would have to say to Sukky that your mom could boss over her mil only if she knew her husband would come and support her. Not every husband supports her wife to boss over his mom.
On top of that our parents raise us to be truthful and not dramatic as some mils can get and win over their sons.
Sons on the other hands know in their hands that their moms are weird but cant bring themselves to admit that to themselves or of all the people their wives(whom they think is an outsider)
I would have to say that it is true what nokia says that we get so frustrated with our own experiences that we all become bad mils ourselves otherwise why didnt our mils learn from their lives. And that is why i am starting by telling my parents to be good to their dils whenever their sons get married and just leave them to mind their lives and not get in to their business. I have openly told my parents that no matter what i will support my brother's wife bcoz she is the key to my brother's happiness and i will try my best to keep her happy to keep my brother happy.

Every mil is different, some respond to be bossed over, some respond to love. I tried love and failed.. I dont want to be unfairly bossy and change my personality and be cruel to prove a point to a crazy lady.
But stepping up and giving ultimatum to husband is necessary. I asked my dad.. u were probably in this situation once..between your wife and mother..what do u think? I did this to get to my husband's train of thought.. and here's what my dad said..

My dad said: when men grow up they are bothered by constant cribbing and advises that his mom gives him as if he still is a child. So he marries hoping that this lady will understand him, be his partner and share his feelings. But if this new lady(wife) starts a new nuisance and cribs about his mom.. this is bad coz he knows his mom is wrong but doesnt want his wife telling him that. So be your husband's confidant. Be the person he comes to after listening to his crabby mom.. dont be another crabby woman. Otherwise your husband will think.."man.. i just got this from my mom...not again"
So i took that to my heart. I dont complain about my mil and just state what my mil or fil said that bugs me and add that i am not complaining just letting u know what just happened and then talk about other things to him and be nice to him. He did change!!
My husband started complaining about his parents to him and how they bug him too.. and that helped me feel so better..and rmeber i didnt join him here. i just listened without any interest or concern and that made a whole lot of difference coz it felt like he was talking to a friend and not enemy. Dear girls, take this advice to your heart. Make your husbands your friend and not your enemy's son to take your frustrations out and u will lead happier lives hopefully! Good luck
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2006-03-07
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Anonymous Name: Sukky
Subject:  The in-law situation



Ok,firstly I really feel for you for all the obvious reasons and my heart goes out to you. My opinion is thus, The MIL was once a DIL but probaby not quite like you, older Indian women I think found it easier to be submissive mainly because their lives were so different to ours in the west (I'm in London). I know my mother has said that whilst she was in India with my grandmother it was easier to do as your told because there was no getting away from it, its not like she went out to work! Once my gran followed my parents to the UK things changed. My mother had to establish herself as queen of her household and make it quite clear that she was in charge and not the mother-in-law. It was very difficult to begin with, but eventually she sat back, and even spent half a year in India and a month or two in Canada.

I think what you need to do is make a stand for yourself - the longer you leave it the worse it will become - as you say yourself - your friends don't have this problen as they made things clear right from the start.

Its clear that your MIL is an expert at the whole emotional blackmail thing - she should really get an award!!! maybe you should behave in the same way so that she can understand - just try it once - sit her down and tell he how you feel, i.e you want to build a happy home for you and your hubby and kids, the reason you do things differently to how she did is simply because the US is a hugely different place to India and you're simply being the best parent you possibly can by preparing your children for the life they have ahead of them. Tell your husband also - If it doesn't work after you do it once then get firm with everyone, make it clear that this is your house and whoever doesn't like they way you run it can simply leave!!!

YOu have to teach them that your whole world is different to theirs we have activities and a social life and a career - show them how they can fit in - not how you should step back in time.

I hope this helps - I know it may sound harsh but sometimes tough love is the only way - I mean, whats the worse that can happen? - they might pack their bags and move out!!
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