This is a counter to what shakespeare had said in Hamlet about women.However and whatever women are before marriage ,they are a complete new person after marriage.They are utterly loyal to their husbands(atleast a majority of them),despite of a variety of traits present in them.But men are never.Atleast in my husband' s case,he was never loyal and honest with me.He always told lies ,even for petty things.He did things which never interested me,behind me ,in my absence.He had parties outside,and the worst thing I came to know was he invited his friends to our house for a drink party,which I strictly opposed.He felt that I won' t get to know about that,but he never felt why should he be doing something which would upset his wife.Whereas I either in his presence or absence never ever did anything that would upset him.And if I did I always admitted what I did even before he got to know anything about it.Number of times I pleaded him not to do anything behind me and to be honest in whatever he does.But he never cares.This really hurts me.I come from a background where my father was an extremely honest and loyal person and I expect the same from my husband.I fail to understand why my husband doesn' t even try to be honest when I ' ve been so honest to him.
Are men basically like this?Do men often lie?coz being a woman I had never lied to him and I find it difficult to digest why he always did that.
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This is a counter to what shakespeare had said in Hamlet about women.However and whatever women are before marriage ,they are a complete new person after marriage.They are utterly loyal to their husbands(atleast a majority of them),despite of a variety of traits present in them.But men are never.Atleast in my husband' s case,he was never loyal and honest with me.He always told lies ,even for petty things.He did things which never interested me,behind me ,in my absence.He had parties outside,and the worst thing I came to know was he invited his friends to our house for a drink party,which I strictly opposed.He felt that I won' t get to know about that,but he never felt why should he be doing something which would upset his wife.Whereas I either in his presence or absence never ever did anything that would upset him.And if I did I always admitted what I did even before he got to know anything about it.Number of times I pleaded him not to do anything behind me and to be honest in whatever he does.But he never cares.This really hurts me.I come from a background where my father was an extremely honest and loyal person and I expect the same from my husband.I fail to understand why my husband doesn' t even try to be honest when I ' ve been so honest to him.
Are men basically like this?Do men often lie?coz being a woman I had never lied to him and I find it difficult to digest why he always did that.
axe replied. hey wife.
are u a shakespeare fan???
do u love literature.
i wish ...i too hav a wife like you.
smart and intellectual
Maxwell replied. Dear Wife,
You are most welcome! At 25 you are still very young and I would guess you are also not married for too long, particularly being in an arranged marriage, the phase of mutual adjustments towards each others needs, both physical and psychological is still on.
I am particularly glad that you have started seeing things from his point of view, this should trigger him looking at things from your point of view too.
You can attempt an experiment or a trial by accepting (wholeheartedly, and demonstrate it by action which he would perceive without any confusion) one of the acts that you have resented, like getting back home after a drink, without prior information to you. And then seek information in a very loving manner, like where was the party, what was the occasion, who sponsored it, who were all the participants, why dont they include the women too in such assemblies etc, but all these without the probe kind of angle! I hope you get me....
Do your prayers in advance, ask for forgiveness from your god, protect your sacred puja place once and ask him to organize the party in your own home! Either cook for them or order food from outside, know first hand what happens in such a party! Then decide what kind of restrain you would like him to exercise about such parties.
You have to win him and to win him you have to love him and to love him you have to accept the good bad and ugly part of the man you have married! You must be wondering, when will he do the same towards you? HE WOULD, when he experiences your love, when he gets to a similar counseling session as you are in....
I appreciate your openness and wish you progress towards a higher level of peace and tranquility. Keep posting, I am eager to see both of you happy together.
Good wishes,
Max
Maxwell replied. Dear wife,
I am still trying to explore different possibilities. One is that yours and your H' s love expressions are just not matching or not complimentary, thereby not only that he is not meeting your expectations, even you are matching his expectations, which of course neither you nor he are speaking out to each other! So there MAY BE a need for both of you to sit down and speak. How long are you married now? Was this a love or arranged marriage?
In another look I find there are many areas where you are very unhappy and the few areas where he APPEARS to be fulfilling your needs may also be areas where he too needs to perform! I am meaning that, he is actually doing NOTHING for you but all for himself!
Another possibility is that his social needs are very different compared to yours. Tell me, if he gets drunk when he drinks? Do you have friends whom you know all by your connections and not his?
There may be a strong need for you to make him sit down and talk, do you think he will be amenable to such a talk? Is your sex life ok? Does your dissatisfaction reflect into the bedroom? Answer only if you feel comfortable. I will reply without much delay this time.
I wish you peace.
Maxwell replied. The wife,
Sorry, I could not respond early. I do appreciate your being religious and conservative and hence not able to accept your H doing just what he would know SHALL hurt you.
I asked you about your age group and children and if you too are working, if you care, do give these input, it helps me in putting things in right perspective.
I appreciate you saying that there are few more but you do not want to make your H look a jerk etc. and hence did not describe those. You also mentioned that you love your H very much too. I want to understand the other part. Do you think your H loves you? and in what other behaviors of his do you feel his love?
In my limited understanding I do see that some of his actions are just not in tune with his love for you. But before I suggest you to take actions in that area, I want to understand your perception of his love.
Do his friends include only male friends or the wives of some of the married males too? Are there any single women among those friends and colleagues?
NO, I am not offended at all, what I say to you has got nothing to do with my personal life, I am just trying to understand your situation and shall try to help you react in a manner that your problems are eased.
Maxwell replied. to the wife,
I have this feeling that, though more men may be slightly more dishonest then their counterpart, surely most men around are not as you think. I am sad that you have a poor experience with your Husband but I also think the situation is not frustrating yet.
May I ask you, whats the age group you and your husband are in? Do you have children? Are you too a working woman?
I have the following points for your thought, though I am not fixed with my thoughts at all, please do modify me if you feel I am way off mark.
Many men in the fast urban indian life, like to have a drink or two occassionaly. You seem to be dead against that. Provided you show some acceptance to the above, I am sure you would appreciate that having a drink party at home occassionaly without adversely affecting the family life, is safe and cheap too for the men. Or else more money drain and there are the risks of a pub commotion.
Please understand that a man tends to hide a few \" not so damning\" truths in order to save the wife from undue hurt.
I will come back once I find your response.
2011-04-23
#1
Name: axe Subject: hi wife
hey wife.
are u a shakespeare fan???
do u love literature.
i wish ...i too hav a wife like you.
smart and intellectual
2009-10-15
#2
Name: Maxwell Subject: Am glad you feel better...
Dear Wife,
You are most welcome! At 25 you are still very young and I would guess you are also not married for too long, particularly being in an arranged marriage, the phase of mutual adjustments towards each others needs, both physical and psychological is still on.
I am particularly glad that you have started seeing things from his point of view, this should trigger him looking at things from your point of view too.
You can attempt an experiment or a trial by accepting (wholeheartedly, and demonstrate it by action which he would perceive without any confusion) one of the acts that you have resented, like getting back home after a drink, without prior information to you. And then seek information in a very loving manner, like where was the party, what was the occasion, who sponsored it, who were all the participants, why dont they include the women too in such assemblies etc, but all these without the probe kind of angle! I hope you get me....
Do your prayers in advance, ask for forgiveness from your god, protect your sacred puja place once and ask him to organize the party in your own home! Either cook for them or order food from outside, know first hand what happens in such a party! Then decide what kind of restrain you would like him to exercise about such parties.
You have to win him and to win him you have to love him and to love him you have to accept the good bad and ugly part of the man you have married! You must be wondering, when will he do the same towards you? HE WOULD, when he experiences your love, when he gets to a similar counseling session as you are in....
I appreciate your openness and wish you progress towards a higher level of peace and tranquility. Keep posting, I am eager to see both of you happy together.
Good wishes,
Max
2009-10-12
#3
Name: Maxwell Subject: I am still doing loud thinking...
Dear wife,
I am still trying to explore different possibilities. One is that yours and your H' s love expressions are just not matching or not complimentary, thereby not only that he is not meeting your expectations, even you are matching his expectations, which of course neither you nor he are speaking out to each other! So there MAY BE a need for both of you to sit down and speak. How long are you married now? Was this a love or arranged marriage?
In another look I find there are many areas where you are very unhappy and the few areas where he APPEARS to be fulfilling your needs may also be areas where he too needs to perform! I am meaning that, he is actually doing NOTHING for you but all for himself!
Another possibility is that his social needs are very different compared to yours. Tell me, if he gets drunk when he drinks? Do you have friends whom you know all by your connections and not his?
There may be a strong need for you to make him sit down and talk, do you think he will be amenable to such a talk? Is your sex life ok? Does your dissatisfaction reflect into the bedroom? Answer only if you feel comfortable. I will reply without much delay this time.
I wish you peace.
2009-10-13
#4
Name: the wife Subject: maxwell
Other than the dishonesty part ,I certainly have no problems with him ,be it on a physical level or the emotional one.And so I never consider him as someone who´ s cheating or deceiving me.
I agree with your advice,as I know I would say,now-a-days I ´ m trying to sit down and speak to him and he´ s listening.I agree that his social requirements are different from mine and I need to accept the fact that he needs his space.Since we had an arranged marriage ,he ,I presume,is not ready to open up as much as I did.And so he´ s taken up lying to avoid differences of opinion.
He´ s never completely drunk ,may be just a glass or two ,I guess, works for him.
And I definitely need to admit the fact that all this talking had made me think from his point of view.May be its because of the clues you provided.I was in total frustration about this behaviour of his untill I posted the topic on this board (B´ COZ I cannot share this with anybody as it will only upset me and my husband). Now I feel more comfortable before my husband and he in return is lending his ears.Long live this board and to you maxwell ,this is my personal thanks for giving such detailed review into my problem.
2009-10-09
#5
Name: Maxwell Subject: Trying to get it right...
The wife,
Sorry, I could not respond early. I do appreciate your being religious and conservative and hence not able to accept your H doing just what he would know SHALL hurt you.
I asked you about your age group and children and if you too are working, if you care, do give these input, it helps me in putting things in right perspective.
I appreciate you saying that there are few more but you do not want to make your H look a jerk etc. and hence did not describe those. You also mentioned that you love your H very much too. I want to understand the other part. Do you think your H loves you? and in what other behaviors of his do you feel his love?
In my limited understanding I do see that some of his actions are just not in tune with his love for you. But before I suggest you to take actions in that area, I want to understand your perception of his love.
Do his friends include only male friends or the wives of some of the married males too? Are there any single women among those friends and colleagues?
NO, I am not offended at all, what I say to you has got nothing to do with my personal life, I am just trying to understand your situation and shall try to help you react in a manner that your problems are eased.
2009-10-12
#6
Name: the wife Subject: maxwell
No my husband´ s group of friends do not have any women,married or unmarried,Though he had some women friends (whom I know are not suspectable and ofcourse now lost contact)before marriage.
I´ m totally confused about my husband´ s love for me.He gives me surprises,says he loves me, almost everyday,cares when I´ m sick and stuff like that.But on the other side ,I feel sick of his never ending lies,his secret schedules of the day,his annoying behaviour towards my parents and things like that.He also fails to trust me when the situation demands.He´ s also fluent in throwing hurting words.I don´ t understand his mentality.But sometimes he´ s happy to help me when I need it the most.
About our age he´ s 30 and I´ m 25.I´ m not working .Not yet planned for baby.
2009-10-01
#7
Name: Maxwell Subject: (dis)Honesty in men
to the wife,
I have this feeling that, though more men may be slightly more dishonest then their counterpart, surely most men around are not as you think. I am sad that you have a poor experience with your Husband but I also think the situation is not frustrating yet.
May I ask you, whats the age group you and your husband are in? Do you have children? Are you too a working woman?
I have the following points for your thought, though I am not fixed with my thoughts at all, please do modify me if you feel I am way off mark.
Many men in the fast urban indian life, like to have a drink or two occassionaly. You seem to be dead against that. Provided you show some acceptance to the above, I am sure you would appreciate that having a drink party at home occassionaly without adversely affecting the family life, is safe and cheap too for the men. Or else more money drain and there are the risks of a pub commotion.
Please understand that a man tends to hide a few \" not so damning\" truths in order to save the wife from undue hurt.
I will come back once I find your response.
2009-10-01
#8
Name: the wife Subject: ........
.....and about hiding truths ,my husband says he´ s off to his office on a sunday ,but the truth is he goes on a tour or a trip with his friends.
-says will be late from office b´ coz of work and the truth, partys late till night.
These may be not so damning truths,I agree,but these are disturbing truths.
There are a few more than these but I really don´ t want to make a mock on my husband since I love him too much despite the complaints I ´ ve on him.
Well ,Max you might ´ ve at some point of time had exhibited some of these traits ,and may be you felt offended.Sorry about that.....
2009-10-01
#9
Name: the wife Subject: you got it wrong
I sure know that men drink occasionally and I never restricted him for that.What pricks me is that he did not mind doing things at my back ,which he sure is aware that it would hurt me.I even gave him the choice that he can have limited drinks as he himself confessed to me that he with his friends used to empty bottles together.But I was against this idea of partying with friends at home as I ´ m a little religious person and didn´ t want any such things in a place which I consider as my home.I ´ m also a bit conservative ,as you may think,about the idea that somebody enter my personal space in my absence.But I heartfully used to cook food for the same friends when they used to come for lunch or dinner.
I guess ,women may take it for granted when their husbands bring friends to drink but I´ m sure they will never support the idea.But since they ´ ve no choice ,they accept it.
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