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Feeding:gauri/deepthi..my opinion
2007-10-11
Name: Maddie



this is my opinion as an indian living in the states..born and raised here also..

first, these things like gripe water,janam ghulati,somva 34...they are up to you and your baby if u want to use them..just because our culture says it is good, that is not always true..you know a lot of these products are going to be reevaluated in india because of their composition..i was forced to give my daughter gripe water(by the elders in the family)when she was younger, and you know, she threw up 20 minutes after it..so i stopped..she is very healthy and no gas problems at all, ever...if ur kid can take it without problems, then go for it, if not, don' t worry..

massage...i don' t think it makes a difference..a massage of any sort feels good on your body, so your mind feels good, so you feel good inside...us who give birth here in america, don' t get massages...and we are up and running and perfectly healthy..i had a c-section and was walking and cooking in 2 weeks..i think our indian culture pampers the mother a lot, yeah our body went through a transformation, but massage for us for 6-8 weeks or more is not necessary..my sister is an ob-gyn and my mom a maternity nurse, and the most important thing to do after delivery is to get moving...walk, slow, but walk..

if u look at the indians living in america without massage,they are looking great..i personally think women here in america look great for their age and for how many kids they have..and i have to add, that a lot of indian women, like myself, do it on our own..we don' t have our mothers coming to stay for 6 months and then our mil for another 6 months..my mom has her own job and could only stay with me for 3 weeks..you cannot be lazy just because u delivered a baby..and the indian culture okays this laziness..

massage for a baby is important..here in america, they are also pushing that practice..they need it, they need that loving touch, and it is good for them..but for us, not necessary..

and i am strong,cooking everyday,cleaning everyday,taking care of 1 year old, and a dog...and i lost 35 lbs in one year, from diet and exercise..not because i got massaged..

please don' t feel bad in anything that i am writing, but u have to do what is practical and best for you..not what others say, because others always are going to say something..


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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: Maddie
Subject:  feeling old is a just a feeling



i know 40-50 yrs old indian women here in america, and my god, they look great..great bodies,great skin, and great outlook on everything..none of them got massaged,and have been working since day 15 after delivery..like prao said, if u have the pleasure of getting massage, then go for it..i just hate it when people feel sorry for you because you DID NOT get a massage after delivery.. so feeling old is something in the head..
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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: prao
Subject:  ..



Gauri, I know u r waiting for Hetal' s response but I couldnt resist joining the debate after I read some of the responses

I dont think massage and all that r strictly necessary.. but then u spend your whole life working.. if ppl are available and ready to pamper you for 2 months y not enjoy it :)
Get a good massage, have somebody cook healthy food for you, rest, enjoy your baby.. whats wrong.. I totally agree that u need execise.. u should not just sleep for 40 days.. but it dosent have to be in the form of cooking and doing all the routine chores.. u can take pleasent walks.. do simple abdominal exercises..

Taking a few days off to relax and enjoy your baby is not laziness.. it' s one of the wisest things u can do considering how hectic life gets later on

If you have nobody to help u .. u have no choice but to start working.. but if you are fortunate enough to have a good support system... take the oppurtunity to relax.. dont go abt straining yourself just to prove a point
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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: gauri
Subject:  hi



lol....good idea prao
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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: gauri
Subject:  hi



one more thing i wud like to add here i had asked same thing to my mom n mil...my had said such females become old soon coz after delivery u have to do all this....my mil was of same opinion....she said u get health probs later in life...
hetal pls take soem time out i am desperately waiting for her opinion...
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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: gauri
Subject:  hi...swapna n maddie



exactly ...i think u both understood what i am saying...i just wanted soem idea on this issue from hetal too..coz she has lots of knowledge about ayurveda...i have read her msgs about vaata ....ayurveda about babies i hope she throws some light on this issue too...
my best friend got mrrd n lives in california her first baby was born here in mumbai...tath time she was in mumbai only ...she followd everything...stricly ...whatever i did ...
but last year she too had son but this time she was settled in california...she was all alone with her husband n daughter hers was normal delivery ...she came home on forth day...she asked her gynaec about this she said its not at all necessary she was given doese of multiviatamins thats it...
n the moment she came home she said i was cooking ...n taking care of everything like before ...straight from hospital she went to mall for shopping for baby...
u must see her she wears all western clothes n her figure is just fantastic liek before...she is so active she manages everything all alone...
she said the same thing her friends too never did massage or anything ...
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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: Deepthi
Subject:  Just a thought!!



wow this caused a lot of debate and somewhere along the way I guess my comments got twisted :) so it is only fair I clear my stand ))
By Massage i did not mean professional massage..It is a proved theory that Ayurvedic oil massage does help in easing back pain..It helped for me and I definitely am for it..and you don´ t need anybody to do it for you, I was doing it myself to my back after 2 weeks :)..C-section needs at least a week of complete bed rest, but I had normal delivery and I was up and running the day I was discharged, and 2 weeks later I got severe back pain..
We do need to take extra care for ourselves, because our body has gone thru a lot to create a wonderful new person and this is the only chance we get to pamper ourselves. Not all have the oppurtunity perhaps, but those who do must indeed take the golden chance you get..It doesn´ t mean lying in bed for 6 weeks, but the body needs to get ample rest and the return back to all strenuous activities should be gradual(and this is not walking), even US doctors say that..
My doctor told me that back pain is normal after delivery and if after 6 weeks it doesn´ t diminish, then go to chiropractor..so why take a chance when you know there is a way to MAYBE ease the pain?
As for americans being healthier and in great shape, I know a good number of women who have had lots of problems long term because they started doing strenuous activities from day one and doctors here strictly advice against any hard jobs and even driving a car in the initial couple of weeks..and so long as you are breastfeeding, dieting and exercise is not an option, and a lot of us were able to shed the extra pounds in a year with no special exercise, but just because we have to run around and work so much!!
I do not support the techniques like inhaling smoke etc, ´ cos common sense tells us that these practices MAY be harmful, we do not give honey etc to babies ´ cos studies now say it is harmful to baby and when it comes to baby´ s health why take chances?? But then how about the fact that we all had honey when we were babies, and we are perfectly healthy?
And it is shameful to think US studies are the most accurate, cos massage for baby, SIDS and making baby sleep on the back, Yoga, ayurveda, using turmeric to prevent cancer etc are only recent discoveries in the US..so we have absolutely no idea how much of Indian practices help in the long run..Things we know are not dangerous to baby and mom, why not do if we have the chance..
I am in US, had been working a full time job 9-5 till the day of delivery, and am now managing baby, a full time job, cooking cleaning and everything alone..so I never got a chance to be even remotely lazy..But then I wouldn´ t shun the age-old practices, not all but those that we know are not dangerous to us, and in fact we also think are good for baby´ s and mom´ s well-being, just to test a point and later in life regret that the pains COULD be because I deliberately avoided taking things easy during those first days...just my thought...
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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: Swapna
Subject:  my experience



Im sharing my thoughts here on this post partum pamper. I live in the US and from a south Indian state. We don' t have this concept of massage in our state. Like Maddie said,massage feels good whether you delivered a baby or not. I had some prenatal massages coz I had sciatic nerve pain and it felt nice when I had them. During post partum I never had any massage nor did I give one for the baby. Sometimes I massaged her as part of her bed time routine and never as part of culture or practice.(In fact MIL is asking as to why Im bothering with it!!!)
Tying the abdomen - I bought a post partum belt as soon as I delivered from the hospital store but when my midwife visited me the next day ,she advised me against it coz your stomach muscles needs to work their way back if not,they become dependent on the belt and become lazy. So I never wore a belt and voila ,now my tummy is flat like how it was pre preggo.
Here in the US, the nurses made me walk around the corridor after 12 hrs I delivered and gave a bunch of exercises to do even before I left the hospital. A lot of them were for abdominal toning and they helped a ton.
Im already at my pre preggo weight and my dietician is pushing me to go back to my lowest adult weight.
Diet - my mother put me on a strict diet after I delivered ,again a lot of ghee and such stuff and I packed pounds and went back to my pg weight. I quit nursing at 1 month ,went on a strict healthy diet and hit the gym 5 days a week and I was able to shed my weight without any problem.
So for anybody who' s reading this ,get back on your feet as soon as possible once you delivered. Walking and slowly building a good exercise routine is the key to getting the body back.
Like my OB says ,pregnancy and delivery is not a disease. It' s a natural process in a woman' s life. Your body knows what to do along with effort on your part.
You do not need to recuperate from it.

About those herbal potions - I never gave my baby anything besides formula. Not even water or gripe water. My mom gave a bottle of some herbal concoction and I did not eat a spoon of it. It' s still sitting on my counter. We don' t burn any stuff at home and make the baby inhale things.
As a newborn all that a baby needs is food to eat on demand, warm clothes and a clean hygienic place to sleep and fresh clean diapers. Nothing more.
My 2 cents.
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2007-10-12
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Anonymous Name: rap
Subject:  hi i agree!



Hi Friends ,
I was from US and settled in South india once i was carrying i return back after a long time , But as u said not only in US here also once after delivery nurses force us to walk and since was my normal delivery i started doing thing once i delivered , started washing babies clothes and managing myself and in 45 days i settled in Bangalore with my husband . my mom and mil r unable to stay with us . so from that day i m taking care of my home with husband and baby i did my MCA .Don´ t feel lazy to wash or prepare food for ur babies , Do all the ur babies work by urself then its healthy for ur baby and quit job for ur kids untill they turn 3 since once u guide them this age then they knows u in their old age .
We can do anything but i can hear from some ladies tat " afarid of doing thing for babies" . They will be in mom´ s shadow for 1year with babies, once coming alone will be getting irritated with their kids sound so ladies ur babies r ur treasure try to learn their thing , then world become colourful and ur life become easy.
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