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2005-01-20
Name: nupur



hi ,
i am married with 2 kids.it has been almost 4 years to my marriage
my problem is that my sil likes my husband very much and my husband too . i have cleared all the situation and with no doubt i can say that they have a relationship more than devar-bhabhi.i don't know whether its physical or not
we all are highly qualified and my sil is extra smart like she did love marriage to husband's brother and knows very well how to keep meetings with my husband without my knowledge. my weak poiny here is that my husband is also with her.
he will never tell me if they have met or if bhabhi has called up or he called up . not the thing that i will get wory but b'coz i have put that matter before my FIL and my husband convinced him that its my doubt only . nothing else.
i tried to trace the calls .i also took the records of my SIL's mobile but i got nothing.
MTNL no. are not easy to trace out so i could not check it out as my husband and his bhabhi have separated land line connection too.
his bhabhi has physically seduced him earlier which he accepted also before my FIL.and still few days back i caught her SMS on my husband's mobile on his b'day . my husband said taht hae has nothing to do with it . he can't even beleive that she would have done so.
anyway,its now their problem.
what is my conclusion is that my husband has kept me equal to his so called bhabi. like 50-50.
he fulfills all my need and plays his responsibilities but all of this with brian not with heart . as wife i have experienced this thing yes, i don't have any evidence to proove my statement. he behaves with me never in emotio but carefully and with formal attitude. i think he is emotionally attached not to me but to that girl (SIL)and 200% obedient to her . if she askes him to meet outside than he will never do any objection and go to her to meet.
my second portion of problem is that i have been a victim between these two guys . i was totally stuck b/w confusion, yelling and beating from my husband's side and tricks from my SIL's side.
my thirdprotion of problem is emotional that i never got the attention or warmth of personal relationship that i always admired . i was totally dedicated to my kids which born just at 1 year distance . now they r 3 and 2 years respectively .
Now i am little bit free from kids side . the thing is taht now i want to start/enjoy life from a new side. i want to come out of these guys and have my own identity .
i also want someone in my life to make me feel important . not struggling for the things that i should get naturally . not crying any more , no hazzles.
i have tried al of these things to get from myhusband but was failed , very much depressed while he was very much content and was enjoying his life on his own terms. He and my sil ahs a very strong relationship which is beyond all the boundation . they both have become each others need and share a superb understanding. My so called sil has every kind of information what happens b/w me and my husband . i asked my husband ,he said he does not know how she gets to know abt all our internal moves.
i have got extra slim and have developed inferiority complex as my husband liking is like the body of my SIL as she has put up weight and has maintained her womanly beauty which she used also earlier to seduce him . i am lacking as have lost all the fat of my body . i think all of you married people are getting idea what i want to say.
advise me what should i do , should i wait for 10-20 years and should beg or fight or argue or expect from my husband for his attention towards me or should i be try to make my independent identity .
i am beautiful ,but slim in all way . this is my -ve point . i don't have heavy ...i have done my best to make my kids growing , did my best towards my husband for 4 years despite knowong all the things , tried my best to cancel all my sil trick but her strong point is taht my husband is with her secretely.while i can't say any single word abt her infront of my husband even in my own room. he starts shouting at me and comes to beat me . i get scared.i want to come out of this insecurity .
we have started to live in separete portion . she lives on first floor while we are living on ground floor . kitchen has now become separated
for 4 years i kept trust on my husband but ultimately i realise that he and my sil were making me fool and still they are . a smy SIL knows very well abt my objection but still she has continued realtion with him and before all family memebers they don't talk even my sil goes ASA my husband enters in common room . they don't even look each other before all family memebers .
now in such situation they have left no chance for me to say anything abt them before family memebers . if i say , i will be the culprit and internally she is sending SMS or they meet outside or whatever it is ,they know it better than me. i can't ask all of these things to bhabhi as she has made her siuation strong among family members b'coz of the support of my husband.
or can i dare to say her directly that leave us alone in refined language. i don't like her sending SMS to my husband but the thing is that sh ewill say that she just did it on his b'day and bla,bla,bla...
should i say her directly or i will be stuck in family .advise me or i should leave these things to them and start to live my own life .

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2005-01-30
#1
Anonymous Name: superhit
Subject:  My viewpoint



Hi Nupur,

I have been reading your posts and what I make out is that your husband is good by heart. You also respect him a lot. He is probably not bold enough to spur his SIL's advances. He has also made a mistake in understanding your feelings. Your SIL is taking advantage of the situation. She has adopted the divide and rule policy. You have written somewhere in your letter that your life was good in the US and only after coming to India did the problems start. I think you should discuss your feelings about your SIL with your husband and hopefully he also gives a patient hearing to you. In case if that does not work you can rope in some common friend / family member. I am sure together you can fight the menace of your SIL and make your family life pleasureable once again.

Cheers !!!

Yours sister
Super hit
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2005-01-31
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Anonymous Name: nupur
Subject:  ok



look sh
i have made it very clear that he was not ready to listen anything against the real culprit.what are you saying now ,actually i used to think in the same way throughout the 1- 1/2 year. i was also a girl with emotions but i tried my best to keep my faith upon him
Even i saw him seduced by culprit's seducing behaviour and i allowed him to use me to make himself relaxed. just with a hope and belief upon him that he was not bad .when i saw my husband weak before the culprit besides all of my efforts , i decided to give him that kind of satisfaction also, for which that culprit was seducing him . i sacrificed all my self respect ,ego or anything . it happened 2-3 times. i never uttered any word regarding this to my hubby that it was his weakness and i will never say this thing to him in my life time even if we get divorced. his weakness against culprit was a defeat for me in itself. but today i feel veyr hurt when he say that i doubt him.even if i want to talk to him regarding culprit . very soon he starts to defend himself and culprit or starts to shout.
thats true that still i love him .he is father of my kids.but i have to come out of it . now no more hurting. reason is that he does not have any respect for my feelings or expectations. he takes me in a very negative way ,in a very materialistic way .
actually all of goods things will generate only when he will try to understand me ,then he will be able to realise all my adjustments and sacrifices that i did just for him ,just to keep us together .
i was fighting with the culprit
totally alone last year .while she was veyr strong in every way . she had full support of her husband while my hubby left me alone. i was desperately looking at him for his help . i tried my best to hide all of our difference before culprit but it was him who exposed all the things before the culprit . he knew very well the velocity of voice .he can fight with me openly with open throat but he can not go openly with me while culprit is watching.i requested him to give me respect atleast before the culprit but he did not want to care . what was my purpose .it was an effort to show the culprit that look,besides all of your tricks , still we both r together.still we both have love and respect for each other but who made me a failure before culprit.let me know .
i was a new member in his family but i was not new to him .he lived full 3 years with me in usa. yes i said negative words abt culprit but i did my best with full dedication just for him, i wished him best from the depth of my heart.i gave him support during all the ups and downs of his life whatever came in his way right after the day i wed to him . i never asked him for anything in any way but just a little thing . i really begged him for his support in maintaining my self respect before the culprit but what i got in return ?let me know ....
and what my husband got in return after sacrificing a innocent girl ,who was his wife, before the culprit .
you are right in your judgement but what more you want from my side.
can my hubby give me my time back. can he give me my self respect back that i lost before culprit, why , b'coz of his weakness .
can he give me back my first holi day for which i waited since my childhood which he played with culprit. on that day i really got shattered forever if on that day he was making me to feel like a looser ,was it a victory of him too or it was his defeat too .let me know.
on the day when his brother shouted at me .His brother called me a liar just on the basis of false things that culprit told him abt me . he yelled my birhplace . he treated me like a street girl who has got the entry in their home as begger while he and his lovely wife did intercast marriage themselves . i will call culprit a call girl who was already having an affair with a boy before her marriage and was ready to run away from the house . who can tell that still she is 100% loyal to his brother ...
i really got shattered. my health starts to deteriote from that day . from that day i started to get fear from culprit but even then i dared to fight with her
just to make her failed in her attempts . to keep my hubby , to keep us together only . was it my mistake....
can my hubby give me that time back , when he declared me a women with doubt infront of his FIl . i was really broken . can he give me back that reapect in his home.

onn the day when he will be ready for that , i will not be writing my messages here rather than enjoying my life happily with my kids and hubby, living respectfully and confidently with my family within my inlaws family.

we have already taken the help of third person but still my husband has all the negative things for me in his mind . myself is forced to take some decisions about my life,abt my hubby , i have to really think abt the future .i am tired and fed up from expecting from hubby .time is passing very fast .
i think when after 15-20 years he will be capable to realise the things ,it will be too late . life comes just once . its not to waste in ego , in having negative impressions for your life partner . my life my dreams have been ruined but i wish every married couple to have all the best things that life offer just once , not again.
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2005-01-26
#3
Anonymous Name: friend
Subject:  I am so sorry...



Dear Nupur,

What am I hearing, your husband has an, “affair with his bhabhi and then he is physically torturing you.” Which world you are living in my friend? This is 21st Century!

It sounds like as if you are undergoing a lot of trauma and spending every minute of your life in hell. Don't take me wrong but your husband is not faithful to you that itself is too much. Life is not easy but living in such a hell is more difficult I think. First of all threaten him that if he doesn't stop all this you are going to put an end to your relationship with him. And eventually you will leave him! Get in touch with some lawyers and try to sort out the things. At least for your sanity and your children you have to take this strong step. What kind of father is he, and what kind of role model he is setting for his children? “That their father is having an affair with his bhabhi and beats their mother” If your kids are raised in such environment what moral values will they have when they grow up!

First of all get another house, there’s no point in living in the same house where this whole drama goes on the whole day. I hardly see anyone staying in joint families these days. Especially, when you are undergoing so much of stress. Make it clear to your husband and start preparing yourself for future. Get a job (I hope you are educated enough to get a decent job), initially even a small one will be of big help. At least your mind will be diverted. If he is sensible enough he will get your hint and straighten himself. If not then fine, you live your own way.

I know someone (another friend of mine) who has similar problem. Her husband is kind of mysterious in nature. He is not totally devoted to his wife. He is an alcoholic and she used to undergo a lot of domestic violence earlier. She first threatened him that she will leave him and to some extent he resolved some issues (but not all). But she took a bold decision and started to work and once she started earning and taking care of her children she just gives damn about her husband. She is happy and doesn't bother much about him. He hasn’t raised a finger on her since she became self dependent. She is living her life to full with her kids now, and by any chance if he tries to assault her she told him she is ready to leave him any moment.

I hope you gather enough courage and make your points clear to your husband.
Good luck friend. May god be with you!
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2005-01-29
#4
Anonymous Name: nupur
Subject:  thanks



thanks friend,cd and everyone

i read all of your views. i am very obliged to you by my heart .
cd, i also tried to use the camcorder for recording the chemistry between his bhabhi and him ,on the day of holi but u know, he grabbed it from my hand and yelled me that i will spoil the camcorder in holi and he will record the things by himself.he recorded nothing
i also took out the records of my husband's mobile and his bhabhhi's mobile but did not get anything.
until now, only i have been the witness of such things b/w hubby and his bhabhi and its very clear that such kind of behaviour does not leave any proof. if i am angry with you , you can't have any proof against me until i show it in public against you.
thirdly once i will move out from this house without any proof,just to threaten my hubby,everything will be twisted against me by my inlaws family.
as they will never accept that any such thing is happenning in their family . they will support their son, not me .
i proposed my FIL to start my own work but he refused and offered me to join his business once kids will be grown up.now this proposal has 2 consequences :
one, i will be settled down in his family business and i will be more involved in family stream and it will be difficult for his bbhabhi or even for him to remove me so easily
second aspect is that actually by joining their family business i will still be dependent upon them for finance . and say after 2 years, my husband will have his own share of business then again situation will be the same for me . back to square one after 1-2-3 years or whenever it happens and its necessary that it will happen very soon .
honestly what i feel that i should not leave the house. rather i should stand with my kids. i swear that i don't need their finance for myself . i can have a good living for me but crucial point is my kids. infact, if i leave the house with kids ,it will serve the purpose of both of them ,no responsibility for my hubby . and surely at that very moment ,bhabhi will take charge of him and all his requirements that look my BIL is alone , who will give him food and bla....bla..bla..
sometimes i think why should not i tell these things (abt my sil) to their relatives slowly and slowly .although these days ,relatives are not realible but i must get a chance to put my side outside of this house boundaries. For this i need time in this house.atleast i can express my unhappiness from my SIL's seducing behaviour. she need to be exposed.
i said my FIl for a separate house,no doubt they can afford but he said that its not possible till next 2 years.

definitely next time if any such flirting situation arise i will clearly warn my FIL .actually i could not do it earler b'coz i used to think that my FIl is a justified person
adivise me regarding:
1; joining his family business or not
2; exposing his bhabhi's seducing beahviour among the relatives or keep silence at this stage
3;i have been passed through lots of trauma, physically as well as emotionally in last 2 year. actually it took me 2 years in understanding that whats going on . why is it happening ? who is responsible ? ....
now its time taht i am clear in my mind. i want to make my husband realise that ultimately he is also a looser. in which best way its possible besides leaving the home to teach him a lesson

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2005-01-24
#5
Anonymous Name: xyz
Subject:  be stong and confident



Hi Nupur
I am very sorry for u r situation.. I can understand I am a working women and in one of the Best professions in India...
my sincere suggestion is.. be strong and dont let u r mind to think a lot on this issue..
Its difficult but not impossible.. First u try to talk to u r husband's brother If u can
and If u can prove and make him believe u r words, If this is the case he also must be suffering from his wife aatitude
and second thing is.. believe in u r self try to get good job if u r not working.. If u r working try to concentrate on u r career and
on u r kids.. and u r very clear that u r husband is listening more to his SIL , let him..
If he is formal you also be formal with him.. If u argue on this issues regularly with u r husband
It leads to quarrel but no solution and beleve in god.. and concentrate on u r kids and career
If u dont like u r SIL , dont even look at her ignore her..
But dont loose u r confidence and If u concentrate on God... That gives Immense courage to face any kind of situations.,.
I had gr8 up and downs but I allways believed god.. I was very depressed once and wanted to kill myself
But I got courage to handle situation..
But never think of any extra affairs they finally end in sorrow and heart breaks..
think about u r kids.. If they dont have good father give them good mother..but dont compromise
on u r self respect ..

All the best
sister



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2005-01-20
#6
Anonymous Name: cd
Subject:  be proud of yourself..



dont worry too much if you are not fat. Fat is not beautiful!! Slim is! you are not overweight!

Dress up, wear sexy sarees. feel good about yourself. Fat can never be better, health-wise, beauty wise.

Dress up in jeans and tshirts, will make you look 5 years younger! go out with your kids dressed up. Also have fun with your kids, this is not the time when you come out of kids, but you enjoy them better. they are more responsive and you will have more fun with them. join/form a playgrp..dress up young enjoy with your kids.

the husbands ususlly when they see their wives having fun cannot really handle it. see what happens next!
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2005-01-20
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Anonymous Name: cd
Subject:  hi there



hi nupur

tell me where's the SIL's husband/your hubbys brother in all this? isnt he seeing all these?

try not ot see too much into these things, cause if once your mind has been poisoned by bad thoughts you shall always see negative.

If thinsg are really bad as you say, confront your husband. Aks him to be truthful. That will only help the situation. you are all adults there. Your husband cannot have a harem. Be a friend to your husband. All this while when you suspected something you should have waited a while before having children.anyways, if your husband is still not ready to taljk about it, call for a family meeting, put it out in the open. the more people know about it the more difficult for your SIL and hubby to hide it if theres anything at all.

think about it really hard. Can there be something or is your mind just making it up?

then go about your firm stand. dont wait for the problem to pickle. if its there it wont go away. you are young and more active now if some problem was to come up. you are better ready to face it now then 10 years later..

Good luck to you.
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2005-01-27
#8
Anonymous Name: friend
Subject:  Be bold!



Hi Nupur,
You said "i can tell all of these to his brother but his father has clearly ordered me not to utter any such kind of word fbefore his brother .he says because of my doubt i will ruin his brother's life also."
Let me make it clear first of all you are not ruining his brother's life rather your husband's SIL is ruining your life and forcing you to live such a miserable life. Take charge girl, its high time before it goes beyond your control. Good luck again!
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2005-01-26
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Anonymous Name: cd
Subject:  to nupur..



hi nupur,

very sorry to hear about your state. what can i say, if you are up against a wall with no support from FIL/ husband or anyone else. Move out.

If you are there because of the children think again. That house does not teach any morality. kids are smart, they will see things. dont let this get to them.

about financial security, i would rather be financially insecure and have my own happyhome than live in this mess. It might get you husband to wakeup. announce one day in the house with your FIL and husband that you are sick of all this and if ever you see one more incident of flirting between bhabhi and your husband you will leave the house.

this isnt ancient times where husband can sleep with their wives at night and enjoy the day with some1 else.

if your FIL says stop saying these things for fear of ruining bhabhi;s husbands life..tell him its you(FIL) who is doing that by not showing the truth.

this is a very filmi suggetstion, but can you get something on camera or a handycam? will save you the trouble of talking and trying to convince people that there really is something.

or try private investigators. if worse comes to worse, you can use the evidence to keep custody of your children.

I am sorry i am saying all these things. this will be an extreme case where you have to use all this. ut one should always be prepared for the worst.

i imagine your hsuband to be of wealthy background. if you try defame him in public, he can go to any lengths to call you a liar and put you down. better have all evidence in hand then later regret.

hope i am being helpful.

cd
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2005-01-25
#10
Anonymous Name: fnupur
Subject:  thanks



hello cd and xyz

thanks to consider my part. cd as far as children are concerned , we went to usa after my marriage and their was everything ,family was superb and my husband was very dedicated to me. although he insisted very much to prepare like his bhabhi like her lip color , hairstyle like her and very much appreciation for her so i thought that its her initial attraction but i would be successful in maintaining my relation with my husband and i was. and i got 2 babies happily . i always used to think that his bhabhi is culprit as i confronted him and he explained that he has nothing to do . his bhabhi used to call from india to him , mail to him but i did not bother b'coz i was convinced after his explanation .
problem started when we came back last to last year . he was under so much dedication to her that if she is sitting with him , he has no problem and if she is eating with him or like on holi he played holi just with her not with me .when i tried to take initiative ,he really yelled me before his bhbhi.he totally yelled me,beaten me ,if i wanted to say any single word for his bhahbhi. he always insulted me like shouting before his bhabhi so taht she can listen while actually therewas not such serious issue to get angry on me.
in nutshell, he sacrificed me in every way to make his bhabhi happy or he tried to show his bhabhi that he is not happy with me while i always try to be normal before his bhabhi but he spoiled all the things.
as far as my BIL is concerned , he is already poisoned for me like i am proudy and i am liar like this by his wife just after 2 days of our shifting ,his brother started to shout at me so i can't say even a single word but i really wish that.
he is the key for thsi matter but not in my hand.
thats true that at thsi moment , i am jealous with his bhabhi taht she is getting all teh things and attention from my husband wich i always admired . i n usa i did not need his help but here i am in his family i need him more tahn anyone else while he tries to spoil all my image before my fil.
i actually confronted my husband alone as well as before my family . and he always says that he hates her and sh eis trying to ruin his family so u know what else further me or my family can say .but before his bhabhi , his behaviour becomes like a pet . he forgets all his statements and again starts to behave very rudely with me so now it ha s become a matter between him and me . as he has a clear front before his father as well as my maternal family taht he hates her but she is making me (myself ) fool and i am becoming while at time he changes after seeing her not me .
thing is that now what i feel that some thing is there which is just between him and his bhabhi and nobody else knows abt it and my husband is totally different in his action and statements.why he can't listen anything against her in my room only while he says that he hates her .
i tried my best to make him open but he does not tell anything at all
he criticize his brother very much but bot his wife . he never ever wants to discuss his brother's wife . why this is so ?
i can tell all of these to his brother but his father has clearly ordered me not to utter any such kind of word fbefore his brother .he says because of my doubt i will ruin his brother's life also.
actually my husband is not ready to show maturity or give me any support internally against her . he is not ready at all to ignore her in anyway. he gives her full importance and that she knows that i have protested my husband not to talk to her but my husband does not listen me . if it would be a relation of respect then no harm ok if not mother then bhabhi but here thing is taht his bhabhi gets very physical to him. i am witnes of that like touching his hands fully while taking mobile from his hand.when in night ,i criticized her for this thing my husband started to beat me.
so many similar incidents took place
so now almost after 2 years i feel taht my husband also has his silent consent in these but he just want to put all blame upon me that i ahve a suspicion and bla,bla,....
he himaself enjoys and does not want to stop her otherwise we all know that its not possible for a lady to seduce a men until and unless that men permit her. and he wants me to keep quiet, not to raise any finger on that ,starts to beat me . he wants me to get scared.thats why he tries to spoil my image in his family and thats why he wants to make her happy by insulting me before her that look i am faithful to u , not to my wife its a kind of agreement between him and his bahbhi.
only because of his background i have very good financial securily not sure for me but atleast for my kids. he has been a careful father and atleast for kids ,he can get up in night and can go to the doctor . if i does not say anything for his bahbhi then he behaves so-so with me but if i say then he yells , beats .
so he has left me just 2 option either keep quiet or get ready for worst .
yes tahts true taht b'coz i look veyr young like a college girl so cd , i have started to take benefit of it and strats to wear more western wear which can hide my thinness.
but the thing is that how should i live my life respectfully with him and i also want to tell him that he can not force me to accept anything that he wants .
advise...
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