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Joint Family:Breaking the chains
2007-02-16
Name: Saheli



One of my best friends is settled in the US for past few years. Though we have visited each other a couple of times after we got married, this time when she visited me, she-me-and 2 other friends - we had discussion on one of our favorite topics – the Indian joint family!

I just felt like sharing the discussion with my friends here on IP, I felt it’s related to all of us, a lot of us are settled abroad, may be it can be food for thought, else just a timepass! Needless to say, we did not reach any conclusion.

As we talked about the rich Indian culture, and how its joint-family system teaches us bonding and maintaining relationships, we were also comparing the western culture with ours - with my US-based friend sharing experiences she has had with her American close friend, and we came to a question –

Whenever there is a MIL related problem in the house, why doesn’t the Indian DIL just put her foot firmly and say “NO”?

One of the friend’s reminded us this old story –

Once a family visits a Circus (assume animals there). Before the program starts, the kid and his mother are watching a Mumma-elephant and a baby-elephant tied nearby. The baby-elephant is trying best to break free the chain, but is failing. But the mom-elephant is quietly eating her food.

The kid asks “Mom, the big elephant can easily break the chain, but she isn’t trying. Whereas the chain is too strong for the baby, still the baby is trying again and again to break it. Why doesn’t the big-elephant do that for herself and the baby?”

Kid’s mother answers “When the big-elephant was a baby, she also tried the same. She tried and tried to break the chain – but could not. She is brought up with the belief that she will never be able to break free, though NOW she can.

She just doesn’t believe in her strengths.”

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Are not we all DILs similar? We are brought up by hearing that we have to obey husband and in-laws? What is stopping us all from breaking the chain?

But, will breaking the chain really a good idea? The teaching of respect for elders, and other values - they stop us from taking a step ….. and may be this way keep us far from a divorce …?

My US-based friend told us about her American (girl) friend, this friend is a divorcee, now into a live-in relationship with another man, her son living with ex-hubby and boyfriend’s daughter staying with them!
We all know that this is not a new story there.

The Indian oldies and males will now say \" look at
her, she is free, but is she happy? Changing hubbies/wives like that will not make them happy\"

Hey, are we happy? Who is happy here? The ILs? LOL. Even after enjoying the luxury of servent-like-DIL, they dont have peace of mind. The only ones who are perhaps happy are the males.

We Indian DILs don’t want to go that far like divorce, but why are we not able to break the little chains?

When the hubby says “lets keep the gold with Mummy”, why don’t we simply say NO?
When the MIL doesn’t help in house-chores, why don’t we go to her ask politely to knead the dough or cut the veggies?
Why can’t we even think of asking the FIL to make his own morning tea?

What will happen if we start asking the in-laws to just do their own tasks, forget about helping in the house?

If only these people helped us little, we would be able to manage the house so much better!

The in-laws will create a scene? Hubby will shout at us? Beat up?

3 out of 4 of us (who were discussing this topic) are financially independent. Our hubbies are nice and simple. If they hubby gets violent, we would simply get separated, we have the guts and confidence to live alone.

Yet, none of three of us has ever said anything to the in-laws. And the US-based friend (non-working), does all the house-chores and in-laws sit idle!

Why so?
None of us had an answer.

Well. The show will go on.
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2007-02-16
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Anonymous Name: Saheli
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*The post contains only thoughts or comments of the discussion. These are not questions and no answers are sought!

The reader just likes to share views with her friends on IP, not find solutions nor give suggestions, and also does not intent to hurt any person or community.

Do not get ' inspired' to take any steps y reading the post. Read it at your own responsibility!

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2007-03-01
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Anonymous Name: Saheli
Subject:  darn



My org has blocked this site and many other sites. @#$%@#^@$%
Now its just home where i can get on to internet and surf IP which i do only when i get free time.

Damn it. Need to look for another job (well i have that liberty u see ! -)
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2007-02-26
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Anonymous Name: dia
Subject:  Saheli!



Saheli,
I thought , u didnt want a discussion ,so stopped there. As u asked for answers , here r my concerns in not saying NO firmly.I´ m just telling u some cases where I want to say ´ no´ but CAN´ T to make our analysis more clear.

1) My hubby is nice to me as far I be nice to them ,so I shd be taking care of his feelings and not only mine.

2) One more thing is -Now a days ,my IL´ s r not apparently bad. they do things silently and being extra nice to me and my hubby. Though I know somethings they r doing r merely greedy and mean, I have nohing to complain because they r not affecting me directly.Example: they r just melting the properties and and making to form of gold or cash and handing over to SIL with my hubby´ s acceptance ,they moulded him to that extent that sister is not sound like us and they have to provide her with everything ( SIL and her hubby in decent jobs and gettign good pay and no expenditures because most of them r beared by my ILs .)

SO saheli, I dont have to say my feelings in this matter because its their money. But my ml is moulding hubby to continue the same and hubby buy gold for her whenever I buy for me. This is bigg complaint frm me. But if I say no to my hubby, it becomes a big scene that day and he literaaly make me feel that I´ m the GREEDY! SO I dont want to take risk.
So simply I come in to scene and pretend as if I bought it with mymoney and he over acts for showing his wife great and tell them ´ She bought it for didi"

Ok, so slowly I´ m adopting to get atleast gooodname when i have no other go to stop his buyings (of course, its all affordable for me even ,he is also thoughtful with our money) .So dont say " NO"

3) Some other situations come , where I feel like saying big no...when my hubby ask to keep my sarees and gold with mil.Here i just kept all my costly sarrees with mom and cheap sarees in mil place showing my hubby reason mil doent maintain fancy sarees.
In ´ gold´ case I dont say ´ no´ because even my mom is not ready to get blamed .so I kept everything with mil. and now that i´ m on vacation trying to arrange some locker.


Ok, saheli, these things came in to mind and told them all. Major constraint for me is..my hubby is not that supportive ! he is a mama boy.
2nd thing is my ILs not directly affecting me and still being nice to me .my mil is so clever that if I behave against to her wish ,she can silently massage her son without making it a scene(she never afford to loose good mil impression in her son´ s view) .
So I never dare to face an issue..so behave goody goody to my IL´ s and SIl . Even got good name.

The only thing I dared to say no is in cooking section, when I go MIL´ s place I never cook. and even if my mil ask, I say wisely " ur son like ur cooking, and I dont want to feed him my taste even here" . So she got my point that I´ m not gonna take that charge soon .


So Saheli, hope u got underlying point...I Just dont want to get bad image . If things were different and ILs r behaving bad , I might have been a different DIL( not sure , because I´ m made like this.can´ t be rude or firm)

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2007-02-19
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Anonymous Name: SR
Subject:  Be firm



Hi,

My sis is going through hell with her inlaws... she was never able to say anything to them since day 1.. she always did as they said.. put their happiness first etc etc... and that way they started to walk all over her..then she realised what was happening but it was too late to change things...therefore from her experience I learnt a lesson..... from Day 1 of my marriage I was very firm with my inlaws.. of course I respect them but I do not do anything that is against my wishes within limits. My MIL did try in my early days..things like my cooking and cleaning after I get home from work..i started at 6.30am..got home at 5.30pm..and she´ d be home all day and she was only 58 at that time..inform her of my every move, show her all my shopping etc etc....list goes on.... anyway I was firm.. my husband was on my side too..he understood i´ d be tired after work and asked his mum to take care of dinners and he told me after work I could go to the gym to unwind etc.. She hated this but since her son took my side she could do nothing about it. I think best thing here is keep your husband in your hands...be extra nice to him..if he is there for you.. no inlaws can do nothing to a DIL. Don´ t nag him or say anything bad about his parents no matter how much you may want to. Even though u cant stand inlaws.. be sweet to them when your husband is around. You can blank them other times.
My MIL expected me to use my free time which is weekends to take her shopping.. this was the only time I got to do my chores, spend time properly with my husband etc and she expected me to use it on her.. I had to say NO.. it was impossible for me to do that. Who´ d do my work then? And when do I go out and enjoy myself? She drives and is capable of doing things herself.
I am glad I was firm from the start so now she knows and thinks twice before saying something to me..... and my husband is the greatest guy around.. he understood it all and we are even moving out in our own place in June...he understands how I do not have my own space and privacy and him too is not able to do certain things. I cannot wait for June. :o)
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2007-02-19
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Anonymous Name: Saheli
Subject:  Dia



But WHY????

Why dont u get to say NO to ur Inlaws? What stops u?
Why do you not admire that lady who says No?

Think about it without getting biased with what your mother has said, or because of the culture or society. Think as per what u feel is right/wrong and tell us why you feel so.

Answers were not sought for the Qs I wrote earlier as they, but a healthy discussion is welcome.

Its not that I disagree you. Infact I sail the same boat. I am just trying to find out.
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2007-02-17
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Anonymous Name: dia
Subject:  ~~ :) ~~



La la laalaa...Ok, dear..no comments and no posts!!
But to some extent u r correct that we cant say NO to simple things!! Even I feel manytime to strictly say NO, but when situation comes..I obey to situation .
But i saw my neighbour saying ´ NO´ strictly to what she doesnt like with her inlaws but... i myself dont admire her ,instead feel she is more selfish.Even my mom adviced me not to get inspired and not to talk mush on that issues witg her as i might chage like her??! ...
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