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2006-08-09
Name: Aarti



Hi Madhu,

I am not sure if you have this info already. I checked something about PCV for you. According to that, PCV can be given between 12-15 months. So, you should be fine even if you decide to wait until your return. I am completely ignorant about getting the PCV from US to India. If you will have more peace of mind by giving it to him sooner, then your husband could check on the procedures.

http: // www.vaccineinformation. org/pneumchild/ qandavax.asp

Another thing about MMR - some of my friends waited until their kids turned two before giving the MMR shot. Just thought you can use that info. Hopefully it does not add to the confusion!

- Aarti
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2006-08-10
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Anonymous Name: pooja
Subject:  aarti



aarti, its not neccessary that whatever your baby felt safe is going to be same for my baby or others baby. i just read your message to supu when she mentioned that she will try your recipe on weekend & that she is not comfortable with storing batter that long. then you mentioned her the whole story that its very easy and you can make on weekdays & trying to force her to store batter as your aunt and you are doing it since years.also she has replied to that message saying clearly that aarti, you have to understand that i cannot try new foods on weekdays and she will not be allowed by her family members to try that.please read that message carefully.what does this mean, aarti. she mentioned that she will try on weekend then you dont have to force her to try the recipe before that.please read the sequence of your message and you will understand that you were trying to force her wheat dosa before weekend. correct me aarti, if i have misunderstood all the messages.

and i want to let you know that my baby also had stomach virus twice in his 1styear but my dr told me it was due to some food that wasnt fresh enough.and because of that i know stomach flu or virus are not caused by any viral infections but only food or water that enters stomach.i am not medical dr or practioner, but i definately understand what my dr tells me.i stopped my son restaurant food esp paneer dishes. now with that, he doesnt have any stomach flu.its been 9months.also i want to add that most of our friends kids were comfortable eating that same paneer dish.
how come you are saying that he got from playmate.

i very much understand the intent of your response and i dont have prob that you are advicing people. i definately agree that yours are not professional paid services, but you can not expect people here to try your recipes right away or follow whatever was healthy for your family.
and in your message you understand that other families and community might find it objectionable practise(quoting your words), then its understood that you have to write suggestions or advices that have some valid logical reasons than what is done for generations in your family.
none of us are your family and our lifestyle is different than yours.so we expect that we get advices with a good reasoning.

your reasons given everytime are more personal and not practical or logical. this time also you argued at my message with the same personal reasons.
i am telling you this again.please refine your advices.

i dont mean to insult you but i expect everyone who advices here to understand that suggesting people on personal backgrounds without a valid reasoning or a medical background might prove harmful to others.for some people the personal advices may work as they are lucky enough to have same situation that was experienced by someone out here.but forcing or running after someone and trying to convince that you got to try is no good.
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2006-08-10
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Anonymous Name: Aarti
Subject:  facts



"but forcing or running after someone and trying to convince that you got to
try is no good."

Pooja, This statement is factually incorrect. It is evident that you have not followed what I suggested to the poster by name "supu" (a Supriya but not Supriya Sanoj). What I "convinced" her (your words, not mine) to try was a completely different batter, not fermented. Also, this group of women is much too intelligent to be "forced" to do anything.

" but please read my last paragraph properly. "

I wish you would offer me the same benefit in reading ALL my messages in their entirety and proper sequence. The ordering of messages makes it very hard to follow. I regret being the cause of controversy in this wonderful group.

Regards, Aarti
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2006-08-09
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Anonymous Name: pooja
Subject:  aarti



are you the same aarti who adviced in some board about giving your family and baby 7 days old refrigerated batter ?
your aunt and your mother in law must be experienced and are at good health with eating that old batter for over the years, i have no doubts about it.but that does not mean 7 days old batter of idli or dosa will be healthy for anyone else or for their babies.
did you ever think that what if someone ends up in hospital because of your advices like using 7 days old fermented battar.
please dont take my post as insulting. i have taken alot of advices from many people here including you in past couple of months but recently some of your posts are unbelievable.
i read somewhere you are nutrionist and if you are, i think you should be the one who should be telling us give your baby fresh food.
could you please refine your advices that explains a good logical-practical reason behind it; instead of giving suggestions to people that sound not only absurd but also have more of personal elderly reasons.
no offense, please note.i respect that you are being helpful to people over here.but,its just my observation.i hope you take it in a positive way.
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2006-08-09
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Anonymous Name: Aarti
Subject:  Hi Pooja



I have sent a copy of this to both boards -

I really appreciate and thank your candid message. I have taken the liberty to attach both my messages to this post. If you carefully read them I only mentioned it as my method, never forcing it on both recipients. I merely used it to say what I have done.

I don't think or expect that people who read it will take my advice as being set in stone. There are many alternative opinions which I am glad are also suggested. But I understand the potential for people mistaking my suggestions. It is one of the unfortunate fallouts of giving suggestions.

Perfect example is the one where I mentioned idli with yogurt which has been done for three generations in my family. But other families and communities will find it a very objectionable practice.

As for liability, I don't think there is any involved since this is not a professional paid service. Although there is no legal liability I am ultimately answerable to my own conscience. I would never mention anything which I have not tried on my son. I take my role as a food provider to my son very seriously. With the exception of one occasion in which he got a stomach virus from a playmate he has not had ANY stomach issues even once, even while travelling (touch wood).

I hope you will understand the intent of my response.

Regards, Aarti

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I am south Indian too :-) Actually, the wheat dosa is quite different in consistency from the regular ones. The addition of just a little bit rice flour is needed to make it rise from the tava. Some of these things I just blindly listen to the MIL! Just plain wheat flour will be too flimsy. But you don't need a whole lot, just a bit to give it body.

Where are you based? i live in the US and am able to keep batter in an airtight container for upto a week in the fridge. I am not sure about India.

People get gassy if the ratio of urad dhal is too much. Could you try 1:3 and see if it reduces the gassiness? Do you add soda to your batter? Sometimes that might cause gassiness. My mother and aunts first give idli with yogurt. Their belief is that it aids the digestion of idli. I wonder if that will help. a lot of these things are unfortunately trial and error depending on your little one's digestion.

Hope this helps somewhat. We'll end up writing a thesis on idli-dosa!

Aarti
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Hi Supriya,

If you got a chance to see the recipe, the wheat dosa is one of those instant type recipes which can be done in a few minutes. You can easily do it on a weekday. There were some evenings when my son was 2. He would be overtired/sleepy and didn't feel like having his regular meal. He would usually eat the wheat dosa without a problem. So I quickly made it as hubby and I had our dinner. I don't allow him such luxury at 3 1/2!!

It is NOT like the usual dosa batter at all. The batter is much more watery like rava dosa. Ofcourse it is not the only quick recipe and you cannot center all your son's meals around it :-) There are tons of other recipes. I understand how frustrating it must be to make healthy recipes after a long day at work.

As for the freshness of regular fermented dosa batter kept in the fridge, I went by the advice of my aunt who has done this in the US for twenty years. Since she was confident about the freshness (and very particular about hygeine & food quality) I trusted her. I have not found any problems so far. But I really have no idea about its quality if kept like that in India. I wonder if your friends in India who are working moms will have tips.

You are India based, correct? If not, then I am totally mixed up! Sorry :-)

Good luck!
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