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2007-05-28

Name: Editor Have you been part of a bhajan group? How was the experience? Do you prefer the effusiveness and bonhomie of bhajan sessions to the calming solitude of meditation?

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Have you been part of a bhajan group? How was the experience? Do you prefer the effusiveness and bonhomie of bhajan sessions to the calming solitude of meditation? Kumar Jagdish replied. I WOULD PRESER TO HEAR ON BHAKTI SANGEET
AND BHAJAN sad soul replied. When you are sad, the only resort is God. through whatever method. tears directed to nowhere, a grudging prayer or a tuneless bhajan. it is all about trying to find a little piece of the lost paradise. utapal replied. Hi agree with Q. Ins psite of being a born brahmin, I hate bhajan goups on trains which make nothing but trouble and discomfort for fellow travellers narayan replied. hi, I am dj in city of mumbai since last two yrs. Sometimes, I liket o remix bhajans with rap and hip pop--peoples think i am crazy but childrens, they are loving it gutooo replied. Hi, I am big bhajan fan--like to listen alone but not in group I have ond audio cassettes and don' t know how to get them on cd to play on my computer. Somebody please advice. krishQ replied. bhajan mandalis are nothing but gangstership with cultural license to harass and occupy. How can you suggest such a thing without knowing about the agressiveness and eve teasing that goes on in trains? Tishna replied. The power of music and all that is fine but point is that bhajans are B-O-R-I-N-G. May be they need better music directors! I' ve sat through numerous torturous bhajan sessions with everyone singing tunelessly and some not knowing the words properly. Where is the magic and the presence in that??! And then coming to the CD records, the female voices are so excruciatingly sweet and pretentious. Devotion? Puhleeze! Schindler replied. Hi,

I' ve been touring India and was recently in Delhi. I think the calming solitude is more effective to getting touch with your inner soul. This is found in the Bahai temple at Delhi. Even if you go to the Rumtek monastery in Sikkim in Gangtok you notice though there are chantings these are followed by periods of silence for meditation. Across religions there is this emphasis on silence. I think this is the most effective Slayer replied. luv hardcore death metal music...

Pawan, u cud say dat it gives me da same hi it gives u. LOL.. No, butt seriously speakin' , n e form of music cn b used for sadhana...God must b a DJ!!! ) Demosthenes replied. The article doesn' t talk about bhajans in detail. It hardly tells you anything new.
Asking a few hought-provoking questions for the rest of the people especially the regulars.
1. If a person is capable of understanding classical music, does that mean he doesn' t require bhajans?
2. How does bhajan help you earn enlightenment? So, is bhajan comparable to Yoga or meditation? Which is better?

2008-05-26

Name: Kumar Jagdish
Subject:

BHAJAN/BHAKTI SANGEET

I WOULD PRESER TO HEAR ON BHAKTI SANGEET
AND BHAJAN

2007-05-31

Name: sad soul
Subject:

panacea

When you are sad, the only resort is God. through whatever method. tears directed to nowhere, a grudging prayer or a tuneless bhajan. it is all about trying to find a little piece of the lost paradise.

2007-05-31

Name: utapal
Subject:

ban the bhajan

Hi agree with Q. Ins psite of being a born brahmin, I hate bhajan goups on trains which make nothing but trouble and discomfort for fellow travellers

2007-05-31

Name: Jigjnesh
Subject:

Sounds Sore

Friends I agree. Years back I used to be rudely awoken by some loud speaker playing loud Bhajan music on sundays. I felt like screaming with frusturation. This is truly noise pollution if played on speakers.

2007-05-31

Name: Aditi
Subject:

mass bhajans

Hmm I´ ve seen and heard these groups too. But they only go in the general compartment in Mumbai. Never in the ladies. So I don´ t face much problem. And they are so noisy. Group bhajans can create noise pollution too. I wish to highlight one point - the bhajans that are played on loudspeakers during festivals by political parties. It doesn´ t allow babies to sleep and children to study properly during exams. Does God really want that? Bhajans are a human contrivance. Nothing but nuisance unless used privately and peacefully.

2007-05-31

Name: narayan
Subject:

God is dj

hi, I am dj in city of mumbai since last two yrs. Sometimes, I liket o remix bhajans with rap and hip pop--peoples think i am crazy but childrens, they are loving it

2007-05-31

Name: language prof
Subject:

boogie woogie

Dude, it´ s ´ people´ , not ´ peoples´ (!) and ´ children´ not ´ childrens´ (!!). That apart, you´ re doing a good job. Some people here have said that bhajans can be boring. I agree. Remixing may just solve that problem. But watch out for the traditionalists.

2007-05-31

Name: gutooo
Subject:

bhajan on cd

Hi, I am big bhajan fan--like to listen alone but not in group I have ond audio cassettes and don' t know how to get them on cd to play on my computer. Somebody please advice.

2007-05-31

Name: heypresto
Subject:

pc prob

Try downloading bhajan songs online. You can then play them on your computer or transfer them on to an empty CD. Or buy CDs and not audio cassettes!

2007-05-31

#10

Name: krishQ
Subject:

dangerous

bhajan mandalis are nothing but gangstership with cultural license to harass and occupy. How can you suggest such a thing without knowing about the agressiveness and eve teasing that goes on in trains?

2007-06-01

#11

Name: Varad
Subject:

aggressiveness and eve teasing?

Hey KrishQ, I agree bhajans should be held in private settings so that others around do not get disturbed.

The bhajan mandlis in the trains may disturb those who don´ t want to hear them, agreed.

But aggressiveness and eve teasing? apart from the racket they make, to give them their due, I have not seen them deliberately inconvenience or trouble anyone.

2007-05-31

#12

Name: Nidhi
Subject:

Oh really!

Hey krishQ, i don´ t think all mandalis are dangerous...a bad experience? But I do agree about the hooligans in trains travelling for free in God´ s name..clever chaps.

2007-05-29

#13

Name: Tishna
Subject:

bhajans are boring

The power of music and all that is fine but point is that bhajans are B-O-R-I-N-G. May be they need better music directors! I' ve sat through numerous torturous bhajan sessions with everyone singing tunelessly and some not knowing the words properly. Where is the magic and the presence in that??! And then coming to the CD records, the female voices are so excruciatingly sweet and pretentious. Devotion? Puhleeze!

2007-05-31

#14

Name: Tishna
Subject:

RockyM

That´ s a nice thing to say. I forget sometimes that change IS possible. A lot of people argue that India is condemned. But I have always maintained that it is we who must make it better rather than complaining. I sort of forgot that this ideology applies to all situations. May be we can have a Bhajan revolution like the Bhakti movement! But personally speaking, I don´ t want much to do with it. I´ m Agnostic you see.

2007-05-31

#15

Name: RockyM
Subject:

I wonder

Why blame bhajans, it is we who have made it pretentious and boring...why don´ t you try to make things better...try singing a nice bhajan yourself and see the difference.

2007-05-31

#16

Name: Avinash
Subject:

" so when people find Himesh´ s songs irritating, it is they who are actually irritating. And when you think a rose is beautiful it´ s you who are actually beautiful. wow, check out your theory man! "

So when you find bhajans b-o-r-i-n-g, guess who´ s boring! :D

2007-05-31

#17

Name: cool_nirvana
Subject:

Hey

Whew, you do have lots of views and opinions... that´ s some conditioning!

2007-05-31

#18

Name: Tishna
Subject:

just cut it out continued

And do you even know how to argue? The theory that you have put forward can apply to all comments. And provides you with a useful weapon to put down any view that you disagree with. Simply attribute it to the person´ s conditioning and thereby shift the burden to them and not the thing under consideration. Really wonderful I must say. Your theory is completely irrelevant to the discussion. So movie critics like or dislike a movie due to their conditioning from past experiences. Fine. But you cannot go about life that way. Who knows what we have experienced in our past experiences? If there is a board of directors discussing a particular proposal and one member disagrees with it, how does your theory help? Is there something wrong with you? Come back to earth please. If you had put forward some relevant points as to why bhajans are good and how they help, it would have made sense. But no, you have to go off on another plane and start a senseless argument that adds nothing to the topic being discussed. Perhaps you enjoy inciting people, is that it? You´ re simply wasting your energies. Go and try for a real Nirvana.

2007-05-31

#19

Name: Tishna
Subject:

just cut it out

Your theory applies to yourself as well. If you like bhajans, again it is a ´ perceived quality´ . So don´ t use words like ´ wrong´ . There is no right or wrong since it is a matter of opinion as you yourself have expostulated very well. And you are contradicting yourself as in the previous comment you implied that the listener is boring if they find the bhajan boring. Now suddenly you change direction. Also, you seem to have a superiority complex. You seem to have a closed mind, one that believes that only you can be ´ right´ every time. (Again now you will argue with your unique theory. I wonder if there ar emany takers for it.) Let me have my opinions dude. It´ s a free world. Strange that you choose the word ´ nirvana´ and display so little tolerance. Don´ t you have anything original to say other than just putting down others? I still stand by what I said. I am someone who enjoys private prayer. I need to feel chills up my spine to be spiritually aroused. I prefer mantras as there is better resonance in them. In music, I find the same quality only in trance. You have any problem with that? Cut out the endless arguments on every opinion expressed contrary to your own views.

2007-05-31

#20

Name: cool_nirvana
Subject:

for Tishna

Hi Tishna, wrong again. See it this way. It appears as if you are irritated by my comments. (...no points for guessing what i am goign to say next - that it has nothing to do with my comments per se, but the opinion that YOU attach to them.)

But that does not make YOU irritating(to whom in any case?), going by your Himesh analogy ? No i dont say that.

It is simply a perceived quality that you attach to my comments.

The proof of what I am saying lies in the fact that this comment has not affected everyone (myself or the other readers, for instance) in a similar way.

Thus we go back to my original assertion - that your (or any other person´ s) responses are the result of conditioning. Not the classical conditioning you read about in your psycho textbooks (no way!)but the conditioning of numerous lifetimes.

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