ansuman - 2012-11-04
Subject:  some fact regarding craft

Friends,
I was going through the blogs. My version of story is, I got success in craft after trying once elsewhere and evaluating other clinics.

As per IVF success rate data, around 30-45% people get success. People who get success, say everything is grt and people who face failure, take their frustration out. Unfortunately only bad experiences enter the portals as blogs.

If you talk about craft, I would say they know what they are doing. But, when the control is with your body to either accept or reject the embryo, no doctor can help.

I do agree that craft can improve their scanning facility as it sometime takes 2 to 3 hours to get a scanning done.

I also observed that stored embryos increase the success rate. i have no idea why they don't store all embryos and the transfer. But there are very good doctors who can guide you what will work best for you.

For out side people, you might struggle a bit if you do not know malayalam. Most of the nursing staff only speak malayalam.

Regards
Ansuman

niranjan -  2013-02-22
Subject:  success in craft

I am happy u got success in craft.
But they are doing all nonsense their. Ihave visited 4 IVF hospitals in kerala and 2 in tamil nadu, done more than 3 times IVF procedure in craft everything failed. Iam a doctor so I know what the nonsense are being done there. Anybody going craft first by a laptop take an internet connection and check whether the docs in saying are correct. In may case more than90% what they told are real lies. They are giving ayurvedhic medicine without a doctor. whether any allopathic doc is having the right to issue ayurvideic preparation---check with indian medical association. Dr Ashraf is running like a free lancer with stupid junior docs to take care of hospital which an IVF specialist shouldn´ t do, also going to toher countries, we are seeing so many docs in kerala going outside india weekly once or monthly thrice to earn money or pull patients. they are saying every persion is having a chance to become pregnant by 10% with own embryos even in cases where donor programme is advised. what the other 90% will do. they have to simply come to craft and spend money and no pregnancy??? they are saying they are beleiving in wedlock and not advising donor programme??? it is like one religion in india the people even will not take medicines for diseases and they beleive god will cure, finally I have seen persons dying without taking medicines. and they are saying they are getting 30% and 40% success. when I do 2 docs also done IVF procedure in same cycle. Out of nearly 30 persons done IVF only 3 become pregnancypositive. mind it it doesnt mean that u r going to go home with babies--going home with baby is only 30% chance even if u r pregnant. and they are saying that they are getting more positive results with frozen embryons. nonsense frozen embryos will lessen ur chance of getting pregnancy it is universal rule. may be they are canvassing u to spend further 40,ooo for frozening of embryos. he is going to theatre with o.p dress and coming , no sterility.

nothing will be transparent, everything will be in file whihc u will not be shown.

in india very difficult to sue this type
of hospitals because it is democratic country. if this hospital in U.K then definitely ashraf will face the music. since I am a doc. I am not going behind this hospital. I am angry because he cheated us even I am a doctor probably he knows docs can spend money from their pocket easily.

they are having charts drwn in their hospital syaing they are having so much success. u can write anything who is going to check.

my advice is dont go to CRAFT hospital please

Sruthi Nair - 2011-10-19
Subject:  Please be careful while going to CRAFT Hospital (C

Please be careful while going to CRAFT Hospital (Craft IVF), Kodungallur, Kerala India. There most of the Dr's have arrogant attitude, they don't understand the pain of people who are coming there, they don’t know how to behave to the patients. During delivery time the nurses and doctors are treating patients in a careless manner. Especially lady doctors and nurses. This had happened to me in my case. So please be careful.

Raji - 2011-01-11
Subject:  Horrible place

what Anny told is true, such a worst place they say it is ISO9000, looks like they gave money to get it. I would like to know which process they got ISO9000 certification as i cannot see any standards maintained there.

They treat people without respect, dr's and nurses are very very arrogant. I don't believe the reply send from craft, it is all made up and does not answer to the comments raised by Anny.

I had done ivf treatment in 3 other places and i felt this looks like a clear money making institution with no feeling towards the patients. I had done all the blood tests and other investigations in other places and still he asked me to do all the investigations. The last investigation was done just 3 months.

I was shocked to see people sharing the same towel for ultra sound scanning with blood spots on it. Most girls do scan on the 2nd day of the period so obviously it will bleed a lot, but as a health clinic basic rule of cross contamination of blood is not followed. In the name of HLT they make lots of money , the HLT has never been proven.

As Anny pointed out the nurses are so careless sometimes i feel they will inject me with used needles. Basic hygiene is not followed, which will result in HIV infection for both staff and patients.

what Painy pointed out about the stupid herbal medicine is correct. I asked dr what are they for then he gave me a number and asked me to ask this person. I was shocked as the dr who gave me does not know what it is for. when i called Purushotham he told the medicine is for fever, could, cold and rheumatoid. I ate the stuff for 2 months then dr says continue for another few months, but when i asked the Purushotham he told take only for 2 months. It contradicts each other.

Once you go there you will know all the hype is just not real. Even dr ashraf keeps coming out of operation theater with all mask and operation dress then sits for consultation for few hours then goes and does some procedure. It seems even Dr Ashraf don't understand why special suit is worn inside the operation theater, to avoid germs from outside. I sometimes think all these degrees he made is for nothing if his hospital cannot maintain basic hygiene.

what a joke the bill from recycled paper, why don't you use toilet paper it is better than what you give. You cannot give this bill to any insurance for claims they will laugh at it. A small clinic will have proper bill.

Room i used was 500 per day and was clean and ok but you need to carry hot water from another place in a bucket and it comes at specific time only.

Also they charge a lot for using credit card, only cash so that no taxes for him.

You don't need good looking front office staff but at least they should be able to speak proper english through phone.

Good luck to those who go there..they are brave.

Anny - 2010-10-24
Subject:  never goto Craft ivf

i have very bad experience in craft. they don't have proper hygiene. The nurses don't use any gloves when handling the blood and they don't mark the name of the patients properly on the sample.

The main dr is available only 15 days in a month. They are very very money oriented. They will give you unwanted aurvedic medicine for all of them and they makes these medicines themselves.

I had done all my investigation procedures at other places and still they wanted to do it again just for the money. They even don't hold records of the procedure properly. It seems all the dr don't know what the others have done. They don't keep print out reports.

If you see the receipts they give it looks like the one in grocery shop. It is a third class facility.

after ivf procedure they ask people to share beds with others. The accomodation does not have even hot water facility. I went there without much investigation after seeing there website. never ever will recommend anyone there.

Dr.Abdul Majeed -  2010-12-05
Subject:  CRAFT Hospital reply

Hello Anny,Painy…. I am really sorry that you had bad experience in CRAFT. Actually one of our patient from Malaysia mailed me regarding your letter. So I have registered in this site to just say sorry for all the grievances you had experienced in CRAFT.
All the comments you have made in your letter had been looked into and I will see to that all staff concerned to the respective department should behave as professionals and care for the patients.
Let me tell you few things about the Herbal medicine. It is prescribed only to the patients with very poor ant follicular count and poor ovarian reserve. There is no medicine available to improve this condition in modern medicine. Usually all other centers advice for a donor egg for these patient or they will recruit for IVF programme and last minute they will advice a donor or give you a failed result. But in CRAFT we are not doing DONOR IVF programme and we believe that every couple have certain percentage of chance (even if it is 10%) in getting their own babies. And we also believe in sanctity of the wedlock. So we had extensive search for a solution to help this patients in alternative medicine (including acupuncture and Chinese medicine) for improving this condition. We found herbal medicine to be effective. We don’t claim that it is effective in all patient but I can give at least 25 references of patient who had donor-ivf failed in other centers have their own babies form CRAFT. Please do contact me through our website. We don’t insist to take Herbal medicine to our patients. Its your personal coice to buy .It is not a CRAFT product and the original company is selling it directly.If you are not happy with it don’t take it and do only life style modification and weight reduction through other methods.
I totally deny your other allegation that we are only money minded. I can give you very good proof for that.
1) If we wanted only money then we would have started DONOR-IVF programme and easily I can increase the revenue 4 times. I will tell you most of the IVF centers survive through egg sharing and embryo sharing and DONOR- IVF. It’s a BIG NO from CRAFT even if a couple wanted donor programme. We actually council them for adoption rather than getting somebody else baby after expensive treatment.
2) If we wanted only money then we could have used the cheap Indian hormones for stimulation where the pharma company gives 100% offer (1 vial free for 1 vial). There are so many hidden ways of making money in IVF treatment. The consumables used in IVF treatment are expensive and there are cheap imitations also available. If we use that we can also do the IVF in very cheap rate. But that will reduce our result , I can guarantee you that all the machineries ,equipments and drugs used for IVF treatment in CRAFT are best in the world and more than 90% is sourced from various part of the world. I can give you proof if you want to.
3) CRAFT is the only centre with not even one person appointed for marketing. Our marketing people are our patients only. Still we do the Maximum Non donor IVF programme in India. We do more than 1000 cycles every year way ahead of our competitors. We have the highest success rate too. This is possible only through the standardization and expertise. I have the numbers for the last 5 years and you can have a look. This is not self claimed as you said.
4) Dr. Ashraf have license to practice in 5 countries . He earn much more in oversees than in India. If he wanted only money he would have continued practicing there and managed here with the team of 15 gynecologists at CRAFT. I don’t think any other IVF center have this many doctors in one department. He is one person who keeps the value of human life and human relationship .He started his practice in this small town and he want to maintain the love and affection the people have shown to him. He owes all his successes to his people back at home. CRAFT is giving job to more than 200 people directly and many more indirectly.
5) CRAFT is designed to cater all types of patients including rich and poor. So cost effectiveness is maintained by cutting down unnecessary expenses. We can easily appoint few good looking staff in the marketing department and extract money by charging hidden charges. You can make out that our charges are transparent and will be informed during the counseling time it self. We also do so many IVF free of cost or in reduced price for deserving and needy couples. This is only possible by cost cutting exercise.
6) We give utmost importance to cleanliness and patient care. We don’t care about the expenses met in the critical areas. CRAFT won the cleanest hospital for 2010 from Pollution control Board, Govt of Kerala. You can check in their website. We don’t believe in frills. Otherwise we could have given you a attractive bill > the bill which you have commented was made from recycled paper.
7) CRAFT provide hot water in the room. Specifically saying we cater all patients including poor to celebrities. We have rooms with cooking facilities too. We also have attached rooms for 350 Rs (including Nursing charges,Doctos fees and utilities). Can you name any other Hospital with this kind of rent? I don’t know which type of room you stayed. But we definitely have rooms with heater, Fridge, Washing machine ect.
8) We can easily appoint few better looking customer care staff in the front office charge some more money from our poor patients. Our Objective for CRAFT is to give best possible treatment at an affordable cost….. Our claims are always what we have. I know certain centers claim 70-80% which is not possible by IVF. I will tell you a small story… once there was an enquiry team came to CRAFT from health ministry. Few doctors (our competitors) given a complaint that they cannot believe our results and it is not possible. We had all the proof and result in our records with patient contact number. After the enquiry they have officially reported our claims are true.

Once again I am extremely sorry for your bad experience at CRAFT. I will see to that action will be taken to the irresponsible staff who behaved to you in unprofessional way. A lot of hard work
Over 12 years have made CRAFT to the present position. I still feels that our best supporters are our own patients only. Without them we would not have grown. So I want each and every person coming to CRAFT should go back with their dream full filled. If you want anymore clarification regarding anything please feel free to contact me or Dr.Joy innocent.
We all at CRAFT believe in our karma and god will give you rewards for all the good things and bad things you do in your life.

Dr.Abdul Majeed -  2010-12-05
Subject:  CRAFT Hospital reply

Hello Anny,Painy…. I am really sorry that you had bad experience in CRAFT. Actually one of our patient from Malaysia mailed me regarding your letter. So I have registered in this site to just say sorry for all the grievances you had experienced in CRAFT.
All the comments you have made in your letter had been looked into and I will see to that all staff concerned to the respective department should behave as professionals and care for the patients.
Let me tell you few things about the Herbal medicine. It is prescribed only to the patients with very poor ant follicular count and poor ovarian reserve. There is no medicine available to improve this condition in modern medicine. Usually all other centers advice for a donor egg for these patient or they will recruit for IVF programme and last minute they will advice a donor or give you a failed result. But in CRAFT we are not doing DONOR IVF programme and we believe that every couple have certain percentage of chance (even if it is 10%) in getting their own babies. And we also believe in sanctity of the wedlock. So we had extensive search for a solution to help this patients in alternative medicine (including acupuncture and Chinese medicine) for improving this condition. We found herbal medicine to be effective. We don’t claim that it is effective in all patient but I can give at least 25 references of patient who had donor-ivf failed in other centers have their own babies form CRAFT. Please do contact me through our website. We don’t insist to take Herbal medicine to our patients. Its your personal coice to buy .It is not a CRAFT product and the original company is selling it directly.If you are not happy with it don’t take it and do only life style modification and weight reduction through other methods.
I totally deny your other allegation that we are only money minded. I can give you very good proof for that.
1) If we wanted only money then we would have started DONOR-IVF programme and easily I can increase the revenue 4 times. I will tell you most of the IVF centers survive through egg sharing and embryo sharing and DONOR- IVF. It’s a BIG NO from CRAFT even if a couple wanted donor programme. We actually council them for adoption rather than getting somebody else baby after expensive treatment.
2) If we wanted only money then we could have used the cheap Indian hormones for stimulation where the pharma company gives 100% offer (1 vial free for 1 vial). There are so many hidden ways of making money in IVF treatment. The consumables used in IVF treatment are expensive and there are cheap imitations also available. If we use that we can also do the IVF in very cheap rate. But that will reduce our result , I can guarantee you that all the machineries ,equipments and drugs used for IVF treatment in CRAFT are best in the world and more than 90% is sourced from various part of the world. I can give you proof if you want to.
3) CRAFT is the only centre with not even one person appointed for marketing. Our marketing people are our patients only. Still we do the Maximum Non donor IVF programme in India. We do more than 1000 cycles every year way ahead of our competitors. We have the highest success rate too. This is possible only through the standardization and expertise. I have the numbers for the last 5 years and you can have a look. This is not self claimed as you said.
4) Dr. Ashraf have license to practice in 5 countries . He earn much more in oversees than in India. If he wanted only money he would have continued practicing there and managed here with the team of 15 gynecologists at CRAFT. I don’t think any other IVF center have this many doctors in one department. He is one person who keeps the value of human life and human relationship .He started his practice in this small town and he want to maintain the love and affection the people have shown to him. He owes all his successes to his people back at home. CRAFT is giving job to more than 200 people directly and many more indirectly.
5) CRAFT is designed to cater all types of patients including rich and poor. So cost effectiveness is maintained by cutting down unnecessary expenses. We can easily appoint few good looking staff in the marketing department and extract money by charging hidden charges. You can make out that our charges are transparent and will be informed during the counseling time it self. We also do so many IVF free of cost or in reduced price for deserving and needy couples. This is only possible by cost cutting exercise.
6) We give utmost importance to cleanliness and patient care. We don’t care about the expenses met in the critical areas. CRAFT won the cleanest hospital for 2010 from Pollution control Board, Govt of Kerala. You can check in their website. We don’t believe in frills. Otherwise we could have given you a attractive bill > the bill which you have commented was made from recycled paper.
7) CRAFT provide hot water in the room. Specifically saying we cater all patients including poor to celebrities. We have rooms with cooking facilities too. We also have attached rooms for 350 Rs (including Nursing charges,Doctos fees and utilities). Can you name any other Hospital with this kind of rent? I don’t know which type of room you stayed. But we definitely have rooms with heater, Fridge, Washing machine ect.
8) We can easily appoint few better looking customer care staff in the front office charge some more money from our poor patients. Our Objective for CRAFT is to give best possible treatment at an affordable cost….. Our claims are always what we have. I know certain centers claim 70-80% which is not possible by IVF. I will tell you a small story… once there was an enquiry team came to CRAFT from health ministry. Few doctors (our competitors) given a complaint that they cannot believe our results and it is not possible. We had all the proof and result in our records with patient contact number. After the enquiry they have officially reported our claims are true.

Once again I am extremely sorry for your bad experience at CRAFT. I will see to that action will be taken to the irresponsible staff who behaved to you in unprofessional way. A lot of hard work
Over 12 years have made CRAFT to the present position. I still feels that our best supporters are our own patients only. Without them we would not have grown. So I want each and every person coming to CRAFT should go back with their dream full filled. If you want anymore clarification regarding anything please feel free to contact me or Dr.Joy innocent.
We all at CRAFT believe in our karma and god will give you rewards for all the good things and bad things you do in your life.
All the very best for your treatment ahead...

Dr.Abdul Majeed -  2010-12-05
Subject:  CRAFT Hospital reply

Hello Anny,Painy…. I am really sorry that you had bad experience in CRAFT. Actually one of our patient from Malaysia mailed me regarding your letter. So I have registered in this site to just say sorry for all the grievances you had experienced in CRAFT.
All the comments you have made in your letter had been looked into and I will see to that all staff concerned to the respective department should behave as professionals and care for the patients.
Let me tell you few things about the Herbal medicine. It is prescribed only to the patients with very poor ant follicular count and poor ovarian reserve. There is no medicine available to improve this condition in modern medicine. Usually all other centers advice for a donor egg for these patient or they will recruit for IVF programme and last minute they will advice a donor or give you a failed result. But in CRAFT we are not doing DONOR IVF programme and we believe that every couple have certain percentage of chance (even if it is 10%) in getting their own babies. And we also believe in sanctity of the wedlock. So we had extensive search for a solution to help this patients in alternative medicine (including acupuncture and Chinese medicine) for improving this condition. We found herbal medicine to be effective. We don’t claim that it is effective in all patient but I can give at least 25 references of patient who had donor-ivf failed in other centers have their own babies form CRAFT. Please do contact me through our website. We don’t insist to take Herbal medicine to our patients. Its your personal coice to buy .It is not a CRAFT product and the original company is selling it directly.If you are not happy with it don’t take it and do only life style modification and weight reduction through other methods.
I totally deny your other allegation that we are only money minded. I can give you very good proof for that.
1) If we wanted only money then we would have started DONOR-IVF programme and easily I can increase the revenue 4 times. I will tell you most of the IVF centers survive through egg sharing and embryo sharing and DONOR- IVF. It’s a BIG NO from CRAFT even if a couple wanted donor programme. We actually council them for adoption rather than getting somebody else baby after expensive treatment.
2) If we wanted only money then we could have used the cheap Indian hormones for stimulation where the pharma company gives 100% offer (1 vial free for 1 vial). There are so many hidden ways of making money in IVF treatment. The consumables used in IVF treatment are expensive and there are cheap imitations also available. If we use that we can also do the IVF in very cheap rate. But that will reduce our result , I can guarantee you that all the machineries ,equipments and drugs used for IVF treatment in CRAFT are best in the world and more than 90% is sourced from various part of the world. I can give you proof if you want to.
3) CRAFT is the only centre with not even one person appointed for marketing. Our marketing people are our patients only. Still we do the Maximum Non donor IVF programme in India. We do more than 1000 cycles every year way ahead of our competitors. We have the highest success rate too. This is possible only through the standardization and expertise. I have the numbers for the last 5 years and you can have a look. This is not self claimed as you said.
4) Dr. Ashraf have license to practice in 5 countries . He earn much more in oversees than in India. If he wanted only money he would have continued practicing there and managed here with the team of 15 gynecologists at CRAFT. I don’t think any other IVF center have this many doctors in one department. He is one person who keeps the value of human life and human relationship .He started his practice in this small town and he want to maintain the love and affection the people have shown to him. He owes all his successes to his people back at home. CRAFT is giving job to more than 200 people directly and many more indirectly.
5) CRAFT is designed to cater all types of patients including rich and poor. So cost effectiveness is maintained by cutting down unnecessary expenses. We can easily appoint few good looking staff in the marketing department and extract money by charging hidden charges. You can make out that our charges are transparent and will be informed during the counseling time it self. We also do so many IVF free of cost or in reduced price for deserving and needy couples. This is only possible by cost cutting exercise.
6) We give utmost importance to cleanliness and patient care. We don’t care about the expenses met in the critical areas. CRAFT won the cleanest hospital for 2010 from Pollution control Board, Govt of Kerala. You can check in their website. We don’t believe in frills. Otherwise we could have given you a attractive bill > the bill which you have commented was made from recycled paper.
7) CRAFT provide hot water in the room. Specifically saying we cater all patients including poor to celebrities. We have rooms with cooking facilities too. We also have attached rooms for 350 Rs (including Nursing charges,Doctos fees and utilities). Can you name any other Hospital with this kind of rent? I don’t know which type of room you stayed. But we definitely have rooms with heater, Fridge, Washing machine ect.
8) We can easily appoint few better looking customer care staff in the front office charge some more money from our poor patients. Our Objective for CRAFT is to give best possible treatment at an affordable cost….. Our claims are always what we have. I know certain centers claim 70-80% which is not possible by IVF. I will tell you a small story… once there was an enquiry team came to CRAFT from health ministry. Few doctors (our competitors) given a complaint that they cannot believe our results and it is not possible. We had all the proof and result in our records with patient contact number. After the enquiry they have officially reported our claims are true.

Once again I am extremely sorry for your bad experience at CRAFT. I will see to that action will be taken to the irresponsible staff who behaved to you in unprofessional way. A lot of hard work
Over 12 years have made CRAFT to the present position. I still feels that our best supporters are our own patients only. Without them we would not have grown. So I want each and every person coming to CRAFT should go back with their dream full filled. If you want anymore clarification regarding anything please feel free to contact me or Dr.Joy innocent.
We all at CRAFT believe in our karma and god will give you rewards for all the good things and bad things you do in your life.
I wish you both a very good treatment experience ahead and may god fulfill your dreams at the earliest...All the best

painy -  2010-11-11
Subject:  Excellent feedback

Hi Anny,Thank you for sharing those ´ real´ experience!I had similar experience each time I went there! People should spread words and also let the ´ adminstration´ know about this. Only then they can improve themselves.

I agree with your comment on ´ ayurvedic medications´ that unnecessarily they give the same medicines to everyone. However when I searched the name ´ Herbal heritage´ (prop. Dr. P G Purushan vaidyar)which is on the ´ NOTICE´ , I assumed that this medications are from the above Dr.who has also consultations in Kodungallur and Trichur.Further I can not find any of these medications in the market except in Craft and in Herbal Heritage! Turning to authenticity and effectiveness of these medicines,there are no definite answers apart from Craft´ s self claimed success rate!?

My search in the ´ Patent database´ proved that Patent has been granted to one of these Ayurvedic medicines in P G Purushothaman´ s name.

I felt that the oil is highly expensive and exploitative. I would not recommend anyone to this hospital, rather I would advice them to contact Dr.P G Purushan Vaidyar/Herbal heritage to have these ayurvedic medicines. And they select any other inexpensive IVF centres to do IVF/ICSI/?? etc.,

ady - 2009-06-30
Subject:  liki

I will defintely give all the inforamtion & feedback that I am able to gather. We have planned to visit this hospital on July 3rd. The Weather over here is very bad... it raining very heavily and my husband does not have time to spent the whole day over there.. Anyway if we make it, i will surely message u.. ok..thanks for yr reply..

likita -  2009-06-30
Subject:  hi Ady..all the best

hi Ady,
when you visit CRAFT plz make sure to inquire that Dr.Asraf will do the whole procedure. All the best. i´ ll be waiting for your reply...

ady - 2009-06-25
Subject:  Hi UK &Liki . Reg-craft-icsi/ivf

Undergoing treatment for past 3years with 1 IUI and 1 icsi failed. I stay in kerala about 140 kms from CRAFT. I am planning to take a second opinion from there. Can u pl share your information regarding the consulting time (Do they even consult on Sundays also etc). What is the cost of IVF and ICSI in CRAFT.. How many days stay is required to stay for IVF.
When are planned to visit the hospital.

Dr.Abdul Majeed -  2010-12-05
Subject:  CRAFT Hospital reply

You can get all the information from CRAFT website and contact number. There is consultation including sundays.

liki -  2009-06-25
Subject:  Hi ady

Hi Ady,
I have not visited CRAFT, i actully posted my msg so that i can get some feedback from anyone who undergone treatment there.For you it´ s easy to go there and have a look because you stay only 140km frm craft(i live abroad and never been to Kerala). if get any further info plz pass it on..thanks and all the best

UK - 2009-06-20
Subject:  CRAFT

Dear Liki,

CRAFT is a good hospital, but i dont have experiance of ivf there. But two of my cousins got their baby's first atempt...and they are genuine also...
check with there web and meet the doc when he is available in india.
good luck...............

liki -  2009-06-22
Subject:  hi uk

hi uk,
thanks for the reply. i checked their web. i wrote to the Doc once generally n got reply. but few days back i sent an email asking his avilablity n otherthings but no reply from his side. totally confused about the centre. anyways i´ ll let u know the future plan.